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a different kind of fire

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for a new era of worldly frustration we

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i'm greg carlwood and these are the

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chats here we go people from sunny san

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diego just trying to stay warm and

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informed i'm greg carlwood and if you

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ask me there is no shortage of subjects

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to focus on in these troubled times

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the debt squeeze is getting tighter the

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the block enough to know that our

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out that a company like johnson and

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johnson has had asbestos in its baby

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powder for five decades

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today's guest dell bigtree the producer

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of vaxxed from cover up to catastrophe

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which i consider the gold standard in

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welcome to the higher side ah it's great

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to be here man that was quite the intro

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i think you nailed it we could

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doing and there's just so much more

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published papers this is exactly

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that statement we're not doctors not

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scientists no i'm a journalist and

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investigate the government we out

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presidents when they make mistakes we

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out warlords when we're you know backing

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what journalists do we get to the bottom

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doesn't matter how well educated you

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there's still a paper trail of what

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risk awareness movement but you know if

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right and they do whatever their doctor

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they've been trained that that's what

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you do and that they're better educated

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they are being

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sold uh products by advertisements and

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drug pushers really i mean

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the farmer sales people come to their

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nobody opposes that statement

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it to you and vaccines are really no

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agencies promoting them so

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surely they must be good my government

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going to push them on you without

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any understanding of the science and i

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doctors don't know what to talk about

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when it comes to vaccines but that's the

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page in the textbook that talks about

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greatest life-saving measures

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ever created and move on and if they

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and you can test this you can say dell

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you're crazy okay i'll give you a little

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pediatrician just ask them say that

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vaccine you want to give my child today

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open this up why would i question the

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though they're these brilliant geniuses

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better informed about the product

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than your pediatrician as far as i'm

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looking what's in this we're talking

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discussion and it's unfortunate

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the daytime talks to the doctors i have

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celebrating the greatest doctors in the

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great doctors and i love great medicine

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and cutting-edge techniques

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brilliant surgeries i am pro-science but

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the studies that they're pointing to

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well said and you're right the way the

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people think they know and they don't

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and really there is a great analogy

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in the restaurant because there's a

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major difference between the cook who

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makes the food and the server

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who gives it to you if the cook put

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something in the food differently

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that night the server would have no idea

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they would just keep telling you about

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how great their restaurant

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is and how good their yelp review is and

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how excellent the food is and they

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really don't know so

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a pediatrician we think of them as the

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scientists but they definitely

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aren't and i'm sure you're constantly

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getting into conversations about

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the vaccine issue to the point that

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you've got your best arguments down you

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know what to say to cut through the

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propaganda and get people's mental

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wheels turning

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and i think that's what people need good

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arguments to push these conversations

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forward

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what are some of the first points you

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make to pro-vaxxers you know a lot of

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people here have probably heard the

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arguments but we still struggle

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with our network and expanding the

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information to friends and family so

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what are some of those first things you

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say to people

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yeah that's a great question and the

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truth is it's getting harder and harder

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to narrow it down i could speak for six

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hours on this topic

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and never stop pointing to science so i

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still try to remember that whoever i'm

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talking to

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is brand new at this they are defending

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a belief system almost like a religion

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and you have to remember that this is

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not a scientific discussion people

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cling to this idea i mean i think that

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vaccines

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are unlike any issue i've ever covered

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as a journalist i've gone out and done

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man on the street interviews

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for most of my career but vaccine is the

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only issue you can stop

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almost anyone on the street and they are

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going to have a very

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intense response either pro or against

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but you will find

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very few people that don't have an

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opinion about vaccines it is one of the

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most opinionated topics we have

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and yet most of those people have very

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little information to back it up except

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to say

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everybody says they're safe and

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therefore they are but

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i'll tell you how i i talk to a lot of

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politicians

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i travel around trying to talk to

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politicians that want to take

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our right to exempt out of vaccines away

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and so i always start the conversation

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very similarly i will say to a

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politician just out of curiosity

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would you mandate penicillin on

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every person that gets an infection in

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your state and

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they're always intelligent enough to say

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well no i wouldn't and i say why

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and they say well because some people

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are allergic to penicillin they could

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die is it

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interesting right well that's true and

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i'm glad you said that you do

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recognize that the pharmaceutical

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industries actually

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never created a drug or product that

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won't kill somebody

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there's always an allergic reaction for

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some

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subset of people no matter what the drug

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is and

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vaccines are no different you know

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vaccines are pharmaceutical products

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and they too have allergies and people

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who will die if they receive them

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in fact i'll take it one step further

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they have never

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found a single piece of food we can feed

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everybody where someone's not going to

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have an anaphylactic food allergy and

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diet so

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the conversation i want to have today

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it's not

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whether vaccines are dangerous or

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whether vaccines are safe

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we know some people will die from

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vaccines so the discussion i want to

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have

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is how many people being killed by

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vaccines is acceptable

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that's what i want to discuss is where's

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the data on that and where is your

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personal threshold

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on that because i think it's different

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for every person some people might think

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killing

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one innocent child in america a year is

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too much

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in fact i've said oftentimes in large

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audiences like the first time i did it

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was at nyu

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i was speaking to a classroom i said let

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me ask you all a question if there was a

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non-profit that was like the

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number one greatest non-profit in the

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world

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it fed the poor it put in sewage where

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there was

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dirty river water it put in clean

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running water

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it saved elephants rhinoceroses it

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cleaned the air pollution i mean they do

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everything

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it's the greatest only one thing only

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one little

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issue is that once a year

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everybody gets together and they

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sacrifice one innocent child

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who would join that nonprofit and

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no one in the class raises their hand

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you're like that's crazy i would never

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support killing an innocent child no

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matter how much good

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someone does and then i will point out

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that's

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even if we offered you 77 virgins after

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life even

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you know or what if we offered you this

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mythological idea of herd

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immunity and you hear the errors sort of

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leave the room

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and they recognize that that's exactly

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what our health departments are doing

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if you ask any scientist or doctor

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if you really drill down on them come on

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you have to admit

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some kids will die from some sort of

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reaction to the vaccine

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it happens every year and they say well

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that's the accepted casualty to achieve

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herd immunity that's what they'll say

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i've had heads of health departments and

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so

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children a future

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president or a future scientist to come

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up with a better product to create

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immunity

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will probably die this year because of a

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forced vaccination program

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so the discussion has to be how many

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kids are we willing to kill and where is

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the data on that and that's

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where i really like to get this

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conversation rolling

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because we have got to be aware

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i asked that exact question too ahead of

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the cdc up in washington

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and she said well you know it's accepted

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casualty for her immunity i said oh okay

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will you please tell me then since

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you're head of cdc in washington state

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here

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exactly how many children do we believe

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we're gonna kill

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this year as a part of that casualty and

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she said

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well we don't have any data on that and

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i said wait a minute i thought you were

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a scientist i thought this was science i

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thought

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if you're gonna say it's an accepted

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casualty shouldn't you know what number

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you are willing to accept

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i mean that seems a little reckless to

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me that you know you're going to kill

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some kids

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but you have no idea how many but you

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say it's acceptable

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see you can't have a sliding bar on

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acceptable

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casualties so that's where you start

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seeing

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the politicians start to lock in and

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those are the questions i ask my friends

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well okay because what i think the

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mistake we make when we start talking

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about vaccines with our friends and

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family

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is we immediately try to just bulldoze

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them with all this information we have

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and

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what was the last time that ever worked

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on a subject for you

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you tune them out you feel like oh

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you're a know-it-all you're just trying

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to bully me in a situation

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i like to ask questions i like to ask

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questions of the people i'm talking to

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to see where is their line where are

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they really

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feeling comfortable so then you know i

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might say

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since i'm there let me talk about herd

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immunity because this i think is

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the number one argument that they have

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it's the reason they're saying

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there's literally right now as we speak

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if you're living in america

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you were watching the destruction of

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freedom and it's all based on the pharma

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takeover

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of this country now i know that sounded

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like a conspiracy theory

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but now i can actually say that for real

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you just had a senate hearing today

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to try and force a federal push to

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demand that all people be vaccinated you

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had a congressional meeting

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last week vax by the way just got pulled

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from

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amazon two days ago because adam schiff

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one of america's representatives

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demanded that amazon pull down any

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videos that questioned vaccines

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we're talking about a moment of book

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burning we haven't seen for a very long

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time in a country

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that swore it would never do that would

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never be

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that country that is so angry about an

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opposing thought

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that it starts burning away your access

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to it

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but herd immunity is what they're

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selling this entire thing to us

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on so here's the science of herd

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immunity

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and i'm going to destroy it like a magic

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trick and i've done this in huge

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audiences

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if i'm in an audience of let's say a

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hundred people i was actually in

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mississippi

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talking to the health department in

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mississippi there was

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people there trying to get a religious

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00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:08,559
exemption back they have

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none of their exemptions and they were

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trying to win one back and so i was

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talking to health department so

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all these health officials in the room

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and i said okay

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can we all agree let me just make sure i

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have my math right that measles since

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measles is the big

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terrifying black plague of our time even

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though

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if we go back to the 1960s it was a

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brady bunch episode and we were giggling

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ourselves

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stupid when the whole family got the

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measles because the kid says boy if you

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get sick you sure can't beat the measles

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and like yeah they're all playing board

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games and

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eating ice cream because that's what

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measles really is but we have

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changed that story but measles is the

570
00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:47,360
big story so the pharmaceutical industry

571
00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:48,240
and the cdc

572
00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:51,360
say that you need 95 vaccine

573
00:17:55,510 --> 00:17:54,240
uptake in order to achieve herd immunity

574
00:17:58,150 --> 00:17:55,520
you've heard this argument

575
00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:58,160
that the growing groups of anti-bacters

576
00:18:01,750 --> 00:18:00,000
were moving outside of the two and three

577
00:18:04,230 --> 00:18:01,760
percent we might be five percent in

578
00:18:06,789 --> 00:18:04,240
certain areas maybe even seven percent

579
00:18:08,390 --> 00:18:06,799
are now unvaccinated in kindergarten and

580
00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:08,400
we've got to get those kindergartners

581
00:18:11,110 --> 00:18:09,200
vaccinated

582
00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:11,120
right that's the whole argument and

583
00:18:15,029 --> 00:18:12,400
every news station

584
00:18:16,789 --> 00:18:15,039
is being pumped into us ad nauseam but

585
00:18:19,830 --> 00:18:16,799
here's the problem with that

586
00:18:23,190 --> 00:18:19,840
the cdc doesn't say that 95 percent of

587
00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:23,200
kidner gardeners it doesn't say 95 of

588
00:18:27,029 --> 00:18:25,760
kindergarten through 12th grade or

589
00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:27,039
kindergarten through college it's

590
00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:28,559
actually 95

591
00:18:33,990 --> 00:18:31,919
of your entire society needs to be

592
00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:34,000
up to date on their vaccines in order to

593
00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:35,280
have hurt immunity

594
00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:37,200
now when i was standing in that room in

595
00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:39,600
mississippi i brought up a slide i said

596
00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:42,480
here is the cdc's adult schedule

597
00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:44,400
yes there is one for those that just

598
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:46,080
heard this for the first time and they

599
00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:47,200
are going to start

600
00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:49,200
force vaccinating all adults in the next

601
00:18:51,590 --> 00:18:50,880
year or two based on that schedule so

602
00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:51,600
that's

603
00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:54,000
around the corner but on that schedule

604
00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:54,880
it says that

605
00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:58,160
you need two more mmr vaccines as an

606
00:19:01,590 --> 00:18:58,640
adult

607
00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:01,600
if you were born after 1957 why after

608
00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:04,960
1957 because anyone before 1957

609
00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:07,520
probably got the measles infection and

610
00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:10,240
has the ferrari of immunity they have

611
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:12,559
lifelong immunity they never have to

612
00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:14,240
worry about it they can walk into any

613
00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:15,360
measles ward

614
00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:17,679
in the world and never get the measles

615
00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:18,960
but if you've been

616
00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:21,440
vaccinated and you got your two vaccines

617
00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:22,720
as a kid and now they're talking about a

618
00:19:26,150 --> 00:19:24,080
third one in college

619
00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:26,160
and then two more as an adult the reason

620
00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:28,480
for that is vaccines wear off

621
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:30,400
you know the tdap vaccine looks like it

622
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:32,080
wears off every three years now they're

623
00:19:34,710 --> 00:19:33,280
starting to struggle with why we're

624
00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:34,720
having pertussis outbreaks

625
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:37,600
measles at best maybe 10 years and the

626
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:39,679
odd person might have their immunity

627
00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:42,000
last for 20 years so i said to this room

628
00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:44,320
of over 100 people health officials

629
00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:46,160
since you need two more

630
00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:48,720
measles vaccines as adults to be

631
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:49,679
compliant

632
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:51,600
will you please raise your hand if

633
00:19:55,029 --> 00:19:53,600
you've had your measles vaccine in the

634
00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:55,039
last 10 years

635
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:56,320
you know how many people out of the

636
00:19:59,669 --> 00:19:58,080
entire health department and senators

637
00:20:02,630 --> 00:19:59,679
and congressmen raise their hand

638
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:02,640
one one little old lady raised her hand

639
00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:03,919
and i said there you go

640
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:05,520
and everyone listening to your program

641
00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:07,200
right now can think to themselves gee

642
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:09,280
dell's right i can't remember the last

643
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:11,440
time i had an mmr vaccine

644
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:13,039
and i've said the politicians they're

645
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:14,880
telling me herd immunity well what about

646
00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:16,559
hurting me is like have you had your mmr

647
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:18,799
vaccine in the last 10 years like no and

648
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:19,360
i said

649
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:21,360
then technically you're an anti-vaxxer

650
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:23,200
because you are no longer immune to

651
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:23,760
measles

652
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:25,840
you need to get another vaccine and so

653
00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:26,960
does probably

654
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:29,919
90 percent of all the adults in america

655
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:32,000
so that means we're nowhere near

656
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:34,559
95 herd immunity we're somewhere

657
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:35,520
probably around

658
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:38,640
60 and we've always been there

659
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:39,840
the only time we might have been better

660
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:41,360
was when we all were getting natural

661
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:42,000
measles

662
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:44,320
we probably had higher rates of immunity

663
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:46,320
back when everybody was being infected

664
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:48,240
and getting their immunity so the point

665
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:49,360
being is this

666
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:52,640
there has never been the 95

667
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:54,960
we've always been somewhere around 60 we

668
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:55,679
will never

669
00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:58,400
get there herd immunity is a myth it's

670
00:21:01,510 --> 00:21:00,159
been written by the ad departments of

671
00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:01,520
the pharmaceutical industry

672
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,440
i've challenged every scientist to prove

673
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:05,280
me wrong they cannot

674
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:07,919
and so this whole thing's alive and

675
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:08,640
that's the

676
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:11,679
biggest pillar of this entire push

677
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:13,840
to take away your rights as citizens is

678
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:14,880
hurt immunity

679
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:17,120
protecting that immunosuppressed child

680
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:18,559
and here's what i want to say i'm not

681
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:20,400
going to advocate that every adult has

682
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:22,080
to go out and get their vaccines now

683
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:23,919
cdc will believe me you're going to hear

684
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:25,760
this argument in about a year and two

685
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:27,520
from their own mouths i'm trying to warn

686
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:28,480
you ahead of time

687
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:31,200
this is where this is going but in the

688
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:32,159
end

689
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:35,120
no adult is vaccinated and we don't have

690
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:37,120
some return of polio that the news

691
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:38,480
agencies are trying to tell us to be

692
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:39,919
worried about we don't have

693
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:42,400
some giant epidemic of deadly killer

694
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:44,000
measles killing people in fact

695
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:46,240
no one has died from measles in the last

696
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:47,679
10 years in america

697
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:49,679
and before that it was like i think

698
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:51,760
seven years earlier one kid and one

699
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,440
old man and before that you can barely

700
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:55,360
find anybody this is not a deadly

701
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,240
disease

702
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,320
though they say it's deadly it's like

703
00:22:01,430 --> 00:22:00,240
saying water is deadly to drink yeah

704
00:22:02,710 --> 00:22:01,440
once in a while you hear a story of

705
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:02,720
someone who drank too much water and

706
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,280
died

707
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:05,280
that doesn't mean water is deadly you

708
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:07,120
know and that's sort of the exaggeration

709
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:08,000
what's going on so

710
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:09,760
that's where i start let me kill herd

711
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:11,280
immunity right out of the bag

712
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:13,120
for you and then ask somebody what they

713
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:14,400
think about that i mean

714
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:16,640
what do you have to say about that so

715
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:18,240
that's probably where to start i could

716
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:20,080
go on and never let you speak for the

717
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:21,360
rest of this interview for two hours so

718
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,120
why don't you throw me another question

719
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:25,200
well some people do so i would be used

720
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:26,159
to it but

721
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:27,840
man it is all about the guests here

722
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:29,200
because you know you guys are the ones

723
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:30,720
who have the information and while we're

724
00:22:34,390 --> 00:22:31,919
talking about measles

725
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,400
something that i consider to be pretty

726
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:36,480
radical that i learned from

727
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:39,600
the high wire is that there apparently

728
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:40,000
are some

729
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:41,919
benefits to having measles not only is

730
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:44,240
the immunity lifelong as opposed to the

731
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,080
vaccine which wears off but there's

732
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:48,559
apparently new data that suggests that

733
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:50,080
the benefits are

734
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:53,280
even stronger than that yeah so we know

735
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:54,159
for a fact

736
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,320
in fact we've known there's been studies

737
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:58,080
throughout the years that have shown

738
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:58,640
that

739
00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:00,880
if you get a measles infection as a

740
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,760
child

741
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,200
they did a study looking at

742
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:05,520
non-hodgkin's lymphoma which is one of

743
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:07,120
the most dangerous

744
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,679
cancers you can get and they looked at

745
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:11,760
the rates of non-hodgkin's lymphoma in

746
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:13,840
people who had a measles infection as a

747
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:15,520
child and those that had not

748
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:16,960
and they looked at them over the course

749
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,080
of decades and what they discovered was

750
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,559
that those who had not been infected

751
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:24,640
with the measles had a vaccine or

752
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,480
never had a measles infection were 66

753
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:30,880
more likely to develop non-hodgkin's

754
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:31,919
lymphoma

755
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:34,000
than those that had had the measles as a

756
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:36,080
child and then hodgkin's lymphoma

757
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:40,000
was even greater you were 333 percent

758
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:40,960
more likely

759
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:44,080
to develop hodgkin's lymphoma

760
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,320
if you had not had your measles

761
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,720
infection as a child and vaccines do not

762
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,480
give you the infection therefore your

763
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:52,240
body they call it priming the immune

764
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:52,880
system

765
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:54,159
i think you got to look at it sort of

766
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:56,320
like lifting weights if you don't lift

767
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,400
weights your muscles atrophy

768
00:24:01,510 --> 00:24:00,240
if you don't you know you've got to tear

769
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:01,520
muscle that's actually what you're doing

770
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,640
you're tearing muscle

771
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:04,400
when you're lifting weights and then it

772
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,720
strengthens and fills in those fibers

773
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,159
and you get stronger

774
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:10,400
your immune system is similar if you

775
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:13,039
never tax your immune system as a child

776
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:15,279
you end up being vulnerable to all sorts

777
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:16,559
of diseases in fact

778
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,520
they looked at heart disease and again

779
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:21,360
they found that if you had both and it

780
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:23,120
was even better measles was great but if

781
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:23,919
you had both

782
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:27,120
measles and mumps as a child then

783
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,559
you had a significant reduction in heart

784
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,880
disease and death in your future some of

785
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:35,120
the studies showed at least 10 percent

786
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:37,600
and upwards of 20 and 30 in some of the

787
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:38,640
studies but

788
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,960
what we know is even if it was 10 so

789
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,240
when we think about

790
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,640
saving people from the measles and that

791
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,559
that immunosuppressed child that might

792
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:48,320
die and as i pointed out no one's died

793
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:49,279
in 10 years

794
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:52,400
but every year 610

795
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:55,760
000 people on average in america die

796
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:57,679
of heart disease it's the number one

797
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:58,799
cause of death

798
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:01,360
if having the measles reduce that just

799
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:02,559
10

800
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:06,400
you would be saving 60 000 people a year

801
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:08,320
just by letting them get the measles

802
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:09,520
how's that sound

803
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:12,880
for life-saving measures

804
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:16,559
right well said and you know we started

805
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:18,559
with that heavy question of how many

806
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,039
people

807
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:21,279
dying is an acceptable price to pay i

808
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:23,039
think that's a really great argument

809
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,240
that you made to

810
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,320
you know turn these things on the

811
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:28,080
doctors and scientists themselves but i

812
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,200
wanted to ask you about

813
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:31,840
death and injuries and injury reporting

814
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,440
because that is the big question

815
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:35,039
how many people are getting hurt by

816
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,720
these shots can you talk to us about the

817
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,559
reporting system we have and what

818
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:40,320
happened when harvard looked into this

819
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:41,840
because it's pretty shocking

820
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:43,840
it is very shocking and this actually

821
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,919
blew me away we hear all the time that

822
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:47,600
vaccine injuries are it's one in a

823
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:50,080
million sure it happens but it's very

824
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,880
very rare

825
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:53,279
one in a million chance and so i looked

826
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:55,279
into that and so did bobby kennedy i

827
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,559
work with a lot

828
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:58,240
we had the opportunity to go to the

829
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:59,840
national institute of health and speak

830
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,120
to all the heads of

831
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,840
our immunization program it was set up

832
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:05,600
by donald trump right after donald trump

833
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:06,559
had gotten into office

834
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:09,200
and we asked them you know how are you

835
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:11,120
capturing the injuries and we'll talk a

836
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:12,720
little bit about why

837
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:14,320
vaccines aren't safe and how they know

838
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:15,440
they're not safe they've never done

839
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:16,240
safety studies

840
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,960
but when we talk about the signal what

841
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:20,960
we're looking for in society is if a

842
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,080
vaccine has gone

843
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:24,320
wrong how would we see it how would we

844
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:26,080
know let's say maybe

845
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:27,919
china's making one of them and there's a

846
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:30,000
bad element in it how would we find that

847
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:30,480
out

848
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:34,559
only surveillance system we have

849
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:37,840
in america is called the vares

850
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:40,320
system this is the system it's vaccine

851
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:42,159
adverse events reporting system this is

852
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:44,000
where the doctor if your child has a

853
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,880
seizure

854
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:46,799
right after a vaccine then the doctor's

855
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:48,559
supposed to report that to varus if your

856
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:48,960
child

857
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:51,200
dies three days after a vaccine they're

858
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:53,039
supposed to report at varus by the way

859
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,640
whether or not they are actually

860
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,720
convinced the vaccine is causing it if

861
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:58,480
you read the vaccine insert that the

862
00:27:01,909 --> 00:27:00,080
manufacturer puts there

863
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,919
it has this caveat says that any

864
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:03,360
reaction to the vaccine

865
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:05,919
out of the normal or within the time of

866
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:07,600
the vaccine report it to bears

867
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:09,120
and then you'll be able to look at the

868
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:10,799
data and figure out what's

869
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,640
really a good report or not but it

870
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:14,320
should all be reported bears

871
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:17,279
so here's what we know and i used 2016

872
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:18,480
because that was the last numbers we

873
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,000
crunched in fact we're just about

874
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:22,720
done crunching through 2018's and i'm

875
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:24,000
going to start using newer numbers but

876
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:25,279
they're looking similar

877
00:27:32,830 --> 00:27:28,960
so in 2016 the vera system

878
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:32,840
in america alone for one year had 59

879
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:36,080
117 reported vaccine

880
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:39,600
injuries 432 of those were

881
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:43,120
deaths after vaccine and you know 10

882
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:46,399
000 of them were emergency room visits

883
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:50,720
so already for me 432

884
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:54,240
deaths sounds really bad that shouldn't

885
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:54,640
be

886
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:57,440
happening and it's a lot more than i

887
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:57,760
think

888
00:28:01,750 --> 00:27:59,919
most health professionals recognize

889
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:01,760
because as i said

890
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,320
any room full of people won't even join

891
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,000
a non-profit that would kill one

892
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:08,720
innocent child what if we're killing 432

893
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:11,200
so that's what we know beyond that

894
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,640
though we have a bigger problem

895
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,880
health and human services that is the

896
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:16,640
one that manages bears and by the way

897
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:17,919
for those people that

898
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,200
don't understand health and human

899
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:21,360
services is i think it is the mothership

900
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:22,640
of our health department

901
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:25,760
they oversee like below them is cdc

902
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:29,039
fda hrsa and the national institute of

903
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:30,000
health so hhs

904
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:31,600
is sort of the mothership health and

905
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,279
human services has done multiple

906
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:35,279
investigations and affairs including one

907
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:36,159
you mentioned by

908
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,760
harvard medical school and what they

909
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:39,440
asked was

910
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:42,480
how efficient is the vera system is it

911
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:43,279
capturing

912
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:45,279
what percentage of actual injuries do we

913
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:46,720
think it's capturing

914
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,559
and they come back multiple times and

915
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:50,559
harvard was terrifying because they came

916
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:52,000
back and said

917
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:53,919
is capturing less than one percent of

918
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,520
the total amount of injuries

919
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:58,080
that are happening one percent let's

920
00:29:03,029 --> 00:28:59,679
just take one percent

921
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:03,039
that means that there weren't just 59

922
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:06,080
117 reported injuries in 2016.

923
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:07,600
if we're to take health and human

924
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:09,279
services internal review

925
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:12,159
and their word for it 59 000 injuries

926
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:14,320
becomes 5.9

927
00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:17,600
million vaccine injuries in america

928
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:20,760
in 2016 alone that are reported

929
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:24,399
432 deaths if we multiply by 100 saying

930
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:25,520
it's one percent becomes

931
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:30,480
43 000 deaths in one year from vaccines

932
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:33,600
and 10 000 emergency room visits becomes

933
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:37,039
one million emergency room visits now

934
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:38,880
this is no way to do science you

935
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,640
shouldn't be extrapolating from a one

936
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,640
percent measurement and i get that

937
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:44,640
i'm sure there are anomalies in there

938
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:47,120
but what we know is this number has

939
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:50,320
got to be immensely larger

940
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:53,760
than what's being captured there and so

941
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:55,600
one of the things that i look into is

942
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,000
well

943
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:58,880
cdc now knows that hhs knows that what

944
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:00,000
did they do about it

945
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:02,480
well at that same time harvard medical

946
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,039
school

947
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,279
was supposed to be trying to automate

948
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,360
the bear system that we paid a million

949
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:09,279
dollars for a study to see

950
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:11,440
because look at we're the home of ibm

951
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:12,799
we're the home of microsoft we're the

952
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,600
home of

953
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:15,840
apple and computer learning we've got

954
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,840
you know i saw a robot in the parking

955
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,440
lot the other day okay so obviously we

956
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:20,880
have technology

957
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:24,000
that is beyond anything that we need to

958
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:25,520
investigate something like this so they

959
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:27,120
said to harvard let's see if we can

960
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:28,960
bring it online let's have bears be an

961
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:30,000
automated system

962
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,480
that doesn't wait for the doctors to use

963
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:34,240
it that as soon as someone reports an

964
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:35,840
injury and is put in the computer that

965
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,840
computer just immediately puts it up as

966
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:39,200
a varus report

967
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:42,240
well when harvard did that for all of

968
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,279
their hmo

969
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:45,760
the harvard pilgrim medical group what

970
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:46,480
they found

971
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:50,159
was that of 35 000 vaccines given

972
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:53,200
there was 3 000 injuries meaning 10

973
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:55,039
of the people were getting injured by

974
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:56,880
vaccines 10

975
00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:59,760
that's much higher than one in a million

976
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:01,760
that's not even 1 in 100 that's

977
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,880
10 per 100 are being injured and so they

978
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:06,720
reported that the cdc

979
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,840
the cdc stopped returning their calls

980
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,760
and the end of the report says we were

981
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:13,440
supposed to automate this

982
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:15,600
but once we reported our findings the

983
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:18,080
cdc stopped all communications with us

984
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,240
basically throughout the million dollars

985
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:22,480
and has made no effort to automate that

986
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:25,760
system so that shows you that the cdc

987
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:27,840
doesn't want an automated system they

988
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,080
don't want the data being collected

989
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,880
because it's bad news for the monstrum

990
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:34,080
they've been telling us

991
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:42,149
great breakdown man and obviously a lot

992
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:43,679
of people out there have this false

993
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:44,799
sense of security

994
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:46,880
that the tests are being done but when

995
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:49,519
it comes to the mmr vaccine something i

996
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:51,279
learned from your documentary is it

997
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:53,600
seems like the only clinical trials

998
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:56,240
were to test the vaccine safety against

999
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:57,039
a

1000
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:00,159
there's no

1001
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:03,279
true control group hpv vaccine similar

1002
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:05,200
thing they tested it against

1003
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:08,080
the adjuvants alone and even that caused

1004
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:08,960
damage but

1005
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:11,120
you won't find these cases where we have

1006
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,279
a true control group getting nothing

1007
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,440
and then people getting the full retail

1008
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:17,440
vaccine and that's shocking but it is

1009
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:17,840
true

1010
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,679
something that we posed

1011
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:23,120
in our meeting at the national institute

1012
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,360
of health we stared tony fauci right in

1013
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:27,039
the eyes head of infectious disease

1014
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:29,279
who was just on the stand last week in

1015
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:30,640
front of the congress

1016
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:32,720
and francis collins head of the national

1017
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:34,240
institute of health and we said we

1018
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:34,880
cannot

1019
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:38,720
find a double-blind inert placebo

1020
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,360
study of a single one of the 16

1021
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:43,600
childhood vaccines and we've looked in

1022
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:46,240
all the manufacturer's data we've looked

1023
00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:47,679
on every

1024
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:50,240
gov site where these types of studies

1025
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:52,080
are supposed to be shown

1026
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,799
are you hiding them is there a way you

1027
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:56,480
can show us these studies because it's

1028
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:57,840
very important that people

1029
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:59,440
need to know whether they have been

1030
00:33:01,190 --> 00:33:00,880
through a safety study and so just so

1031
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:01,200
people

1032
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:02,799
are if you don't understand a

1033
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:04,880
double-blind placebo study works this

1034
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:07,039
way every drug you take is going through

1035
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:07,519
it

1036
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:10,240
so you have a trial drug and when that

1037
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,720
drug

1038
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,320
when they want to test it for safety to

1039
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:14,080
prove it should be okay to use for

1040
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:14,880
people

1041
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,159
enlisted into a study and they

1042
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,159
sign off on the fact that they will not

1043
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:22,080
know whether they got a placebo or the

1044
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:22,880
drug

1045
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:25,440
and so one half of the group will get

1046
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:26,080
the drug

1047
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,919
the other half will get if it's a pill

1048
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:29,200
they'll get a sugar pill

1049
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,799
that'll be painted and look just like

1050
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:32,640
the drug or if it's

1051
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,679
an injection then they will get a saline

1052
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,679
injection and not be told as placebo

1053
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,360
that's why they call it double blind no

1054
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,279
one in the study knows they got it

1055
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,279
and none of the scientists know which

1056
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,120
one got which and this is important

1057
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:47,440
because remember this science is only

1058
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:48,399
being done

1059
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:50,960
by the manufacturers themselves the cdc

1060
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:52,080
doesn't do this study

1061
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:56,240
drug maker

1062
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:57,760
that is making a product that's going to

1063
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:59,840
make them billions of dollars to be

1064
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:00,559
honest with

1065
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:02,720
us about how their safety trials went

1066
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:03,840
that they did

1067
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,840
themselves but these double-blind

1068
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:07,679
studies are supposed to be done

1069
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,480
and they last for years like enbrel was

1070
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,000
like a five-year study

1071
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,919
or biox was five years some of the

1072
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:15,599
studies went on ten years where one

1073
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:16,800
group got the drug

1074
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,800
and one group got a placebo and we

1075
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,720
follow their health for 10 years

1076
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,560
and at the end of that we ask very

1077
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:23,760
important questions

1078
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:25,599
of the computer we graph it out

1079
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:27,200
everyone's loaded in we still don't know

1080
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:28,000
who's who

1081
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:29,679
and we asked who had higher rates of

1082
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:32,560
cancer who had higher rates of diabetes

1083
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,960
who had higher rates of anaphylactic

1084
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:36,720
food allergies or

1085
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:40,000
autoimmune issues and once we've asked

1086
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:41,359
those questions we have a bunch of

1087
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:42,399
numbers lined up we

1088
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:45,520
unmask them and if the placebo group

1089
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:46,159
that was

1090
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:48,639
getting something inert has roughly the

1091
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,079
same amount of those

1092
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:52,159
issues as the drug group then the drug

1093
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:53,520
gets approved for safety

1094
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:54,720
now when i worked at the doctor's

1095
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,480
television show i was sure that every

1096
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:58,160
vaccine was going through this process i

1097
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:58,960
mean

1098
00:35:02,069 --> 00:35:01,280
think about this we go through that

1099
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,079
process

1100
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,800
for drugs that are for people that are

1101
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:06,240
dying of diseases like

1102
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:09,440
cancer we make cancer patients wait

1103
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:11,760
five ten years for a new drug to get

1104
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:13,119
through that trial

1105
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,560
process vaccines are given to perfectly

1106
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:18,320
healthy children that have no problem

1107
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:19,200
whatsoever

1108
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:21,839
so you have to imagine that it should be

1109
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:24,240
even more rigorous the safety trial i

1110
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:24,720
would think

1111
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,119
because this is something that you know

1112
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:28,960
if there's a side effect on a drug

1113
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:31,520
okay but they were dying anyway i mean

1114
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,960
they were willing to take their chances

1115
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:34,400
but with healthy children

1116
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:35,920
i think the bar should be even higher

1117
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:37,520
but it's actually lower what we

1118
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,800
discovered was

1119
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,480
that most of the vaccines include like

1120
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:43,200
hepatitis b vaccine we give to day one

1121
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,839
old babies then instead of having a five

1122
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:47,040
to ten year

1123
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,560
placebo study it had a four day

1124
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:52,320
days i didn't say years they didn't say

1125
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:53,599
months didn't say weeks

1126
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:57,040
i said days four days was the trial for

1127
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:59,040
safety on that vaccine and

1128
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:00,240
there's two versions so the other

1129
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:02,960
version really went deep and they went

1130
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,720
five days with their study i'm not

1131
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,640
making this up and they never used a

1132
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:08,640
placebo and so we said this to the

1133
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:10,000
national institute of health and

1134
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:11,760
one guy said oh well we do placebo

1135
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:13,599
studies it's just that they're earlier

1136
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,720
in trials they're in

1137
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,560
earlier phase one and phase two not in

1138
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:18,240
the phase three trials that

1139
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:20,480
you're talking about and we said great

1140
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:22,079
could you please provide those for us

1141
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:23,680
we'd love to see those

1142
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:25,920
and then there was quiet and then

1143
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:27,200
another scientist

1144
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,160
chimed in and said actually no it's true

1145
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:32,400
we don't do placebo studies we don't do

1146
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:33,599
placebo studies

1147
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:36,079
because it would be unethical and

1148
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:37,119
everybody at the table goes oh yeah

1149
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:38,160
right yeah that's right they're

1150
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:40,240
unethical i mean it was amazing to watch

1151
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:41,920
the top scientists in the world

1152
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,400
not even agree or understand whether or

1153
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:46,240
not they're using placebos or not

1154
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,839
but now that's the official statement

1155
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,440
we've beat on this hard enough

1156
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:51,520
i've had several lawsuits against our

1157
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:52,880
health departments which has gotten

1158
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,960
nervous to lie to me anymore i've won

1159
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:56,320
lawsuits against the national

1160
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:57,599
institute of health and human services

1161
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:00,400
and we just settled uh suit with the fda

1162
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:03,359
but now if you say it they will now

1163
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,079
admit

1164
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:06,079
it's true we can't do safety studies on

1165
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:07,680
vaccines because it'd be unethical

1166
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:08,800
meaning

1167
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:12,240
that look at like gardasil the hpv

1168
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:13,839
vaccine that came out just a few years

1169
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:16,079
ago this was a brand new vaccine

1170
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,760
trying to do something no vaccine had

1171
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:19,599
ever done before which was beat cancer

1172
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:22,079
they were selling it as the first cancer

1173
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:23,280
vaccine because it

1174
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:26,079
says it can stop cervical cancer even

1175
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,280
though there is not a

1176
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:29,520
single study that can prove that that

1177
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:30,560
would be the case

1178
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:32,800
but that vaccine comes along it's brand

1179
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,079
new it has

1180
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:36,400
a brand new adjuvant of aluminum that

1181
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:38,400
they will not let any scientists in the

1182
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:39,359
world look at

1183
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:41,839
it's a new toxic version of aluminum and

1184
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:43,680
all sorts of other things

1185
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:45,359
well you would think that that should

1186
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:46,880
run against the placebo but it didn't it

1187
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:48,480
was a brand new vaccine and the argument

1188
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:50,720
being unethical is we believe

1189
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:53,760
this vaccine is so amazing

1190
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:56,320
even before it's ever been tested for

1191
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:57,040
safety

1192
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:59,040
that to have a control group of

1193
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,079
teenagers

1194
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:02,640
that don't get this brand new product

1195
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:04,720
it'd just be unfair to them it would be

1196
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,520
wrong

1197
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,359
to deny them this great life-saving

1198
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:09,119
measure we've never tested for safety

1199
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,640
and so they don't do it and that's their

1200
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:12,720
argument for every vaccine and so what i

1201
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:13,760
say to people is

1202
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:17,119
okay you can buy into that baloney if

1203
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:19,200
you want that it's just unethical to do

1204
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:19,760
the studies

1205
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:22,240
it doesn't matter the point is is they

1206
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:23,680
haven't been done

1207
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:26,640
so your children are a part of a giant

1208
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:28,079
experiment i was trying to think of how

1209
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,760
i really get this through to somebody

1210
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,280
and i thought about this the other day

1211
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:33,119
if i said to you you know you're going

1212
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:35,040
parachuting for the first time

1213
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:36,160
you know you said well has this

1214
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:38,079
parachute been tested for safety say

1215
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,640
actually

1216
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:40,720
no it'd be unethical to test it for

1217
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,160
safety

1218
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:44,240
does that make it safe does that make

1219
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:45,760
you feel like oh i could jump out of a

1220
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:46,079
plane

1221
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:48,560
then oh well yeah it doesn't answer your

1222
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,200
question

1223
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:51,119
so it's never been tested and that's the

1224
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:52,560
problem we have

1225
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,560
and to deal with the unethical issue

1226
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:56,560
i've already sort of touched on it

1227
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:00,240
remember we do placebo studies when

1228
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,520
people are dying of a disease we think

1229
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:05,040
it's ethical to make

1230
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:08,560
them wait for this new product but it's

1231
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:11,839
unethical to make kids that have never

1232
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:15,200
had a vaccine for hpv wait five years to

1233
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:17,200
see if it actually does any damage or

1234
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:17,520
not

1235
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:20,720
instead it's ethical to take

1236
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:22,640
16 vaccines that have never been through

1237
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:23,839
a safety study

1238
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:26,720
and give them to millions of americans

1239
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,720
and people around the world

1240
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,800
and make them a part of the largest

1241
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:32,320
human experiment

1242
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:35,040
we've ever seen that's ethical right it

1243
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,760
is very

1244
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,440
backwards and the truth is if you don't

1245
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:39,440
do the studies you can't say

1246
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:42,560
you knew it was harmful there's no paper

1247
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:43,359
trail

1248
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:46,400
that clearly shows you intended to do

1249
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:48,640
harm and so they just kind of obscure it

1250
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:49,760
by saying well

1251
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,760
you know the data isn't in we can't do

1252
00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:52,880
it it's unethical

1253
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:55,839
that's right but it is quite backwards

1254
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:56,480
and

1255
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:59,599
vax a little bit i

1256
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:01,119
like i said to you i attended your

1257
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:02,640
screening in la jolla was super

1258
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,839
impressed and

1259
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:05,520
there's still a lot of misconceptions

1260
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:07,520
about what he was saying a lot of people

1261
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,800
have simplified it to

1262
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:10,880
linking vaccines and autism but the

1263
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:13,440
third factor is actually the gut biome

1264
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,599
yeah and i don't hear this discussed as

1265
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,599
much and only in the last year so have i

1266
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:19,040
really gotten my head around this

1267
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:20,720
connection between gut health and

1268
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:22,240
neurological issues

1269
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:23,839
can you break that down for people who

1270
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:26,640
might still be unaware of that gut biome

1271
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:29,920
component yes first of all

1272
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:32,560
when you bring up andy wakefield any

1273
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:33,920
conversation you try to have with

1274
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:35,200
politicians or

1275
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:38,079
reporters i can be pointing out dr

1276
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:39,599
william thompson a whistleblower at the

1277
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:40,880
cdc has said that they've committed

1278
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:41,920
scientific fraud

1279
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:44,319
i can say dr stephen crailing who worked

1280
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:45,280
for merck

1281
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:47,200
has got a lawsuit right now against

1282
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:48,880
merck saying they forced him

1283
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,680
to manipulate data on the mumpstream dr

1284
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:53,680
andrew zimmerman the leading witness for

1285
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:55,920
the government of the united states

1286
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,480
against parents with autism has just

1287
00:41:01,270 --> 00:41:00,240
come forward because they've been using

1288
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:01,280
his line

1289
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:03,760
that there is no mechanism by which a

1290
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:04,880
vaccine can cause

1291
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:08,000
autism to throw out every person that's

1292
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:08,880
in what we call

1293
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:11,200
vaccine court we can get into that later

1294
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,880
if you make a complaint that you saw

1295
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,480
your child regressing the vaccine

1296
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,880
into autism after a vaccine you'll be

1297
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:18,240
thrown out of court and they will say

1298
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:19,599
well that's because the greatest

1299
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,880
neurologist in the world dr

1300
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,400
andrew zimmerman said there's no

1301
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:24,240
mechanism by which a vaccine can cause

1302
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:24,880
autism

1303
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:27,040
but actually he just sent an affidavit

1304
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:28,480
to the department of justice

1305
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:31,119
claiming foul play because he said

1306
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:32,319
that's not true

1307
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:35,119
i was the state's witness in five of the

1308
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:36,880
most important autism cases because it

1309
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:38,319
was going to decide the fate

1310
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:41,200
of all future cases and in the second

1311
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:41,920
case

1312
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:44,000
he discovered the mechanism and he went

1313
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:45,680
to the department of justice lawyers who

1314
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:47,680
were the ones defending the government

1315
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,000
from the lawsuits and said all right

1316
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:52,000
i've changed my stance i've actually

1317
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:52,960
discovered

1318
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,920
that in this case i'm looking at autism

1319
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:57,599
can be caused by a vaccine

1320
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,400
if the child has a pre-existing

1321
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:02,640
mitochondrial disorder

1322
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:05,119
and that is the mechanism by which a

1323
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:06,319
vaccine can cause

1324
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,319
autism guess what the department of

1325
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,079
justice did they fired him

1326
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,319
immediately they fired him from being

1327
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:14,400
the leading witness for the government

1328
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:15,920
and said well that's obviously not what

1329
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:17,839
we want people to hear

1330
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:20,880
but even worse they kept using his

1331
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:22,400
previous testimony in

1332
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:24,800
every case after that that there was no

1333
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:25,440
mechanism

1334
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:28,800
therefore lying about his scientific

1335
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:31,119
perspective so point being i will make

1336
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:32,400
all of those points to

1337
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:34,079
a reporter and they will say but

1338
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,599
wakefield's been debunked wakefield's

1339
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:37,599
been debunked as though they're robots

1340
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:40,960
i mean we can point to dr chris exley dr

1341
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:43,680
christopher shaw dr roman girardi dr

1342
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:44,560
zebin yao

1343
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:47,119
all over the world scientists are now

1344
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:49,119
coming to conclusion that vaccines can

1345
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:49,760
and do

1346
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:52,319
cause autism yet all we hear is dr

1347
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:53,920
andrew wakefield's been debunked

1348
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,440
as though it's the only talking point

1349
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:57,599
they have in fact he's the longest

1350
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,560
lasting hit

1351
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:00,720
song one hit wonder in the

1352
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,920
pharmaceutical industry

1353
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,680
we still talk about andy wakefield so i

1354
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,280
just want to make that point

1355
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:07,920
so what happened in the study and why

1356
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:09,760
what is the big deal about dr andy

1357
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:10,880
wakefield well

1358
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:13,440
we've referred to the lancet study it's

1359
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:15,440
the famous lance's study lancet is a

1360
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,160
journal

1361
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,480
lots of studies are published there but

1362
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:19,920
the lancet study

1363
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:21,920
tends to always refer to this one study

1364
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:24,400
in which 12 children were looked at

1365
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:27,520
and as andy tells the story in baxt

1366
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:30,800
i was a gastroenterologist meaning i

1367
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:31,680
studied the

1368
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:34,880
gut and he'd written i think over 170

1369
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:38,480
published papers and studies on

1370
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,280
crohn's disease and intestinal health

1371
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:43,119
and a mother called him and said

1372
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:44,800
i would like you to take a look at my

1373
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:47,200
child and she said i just read your

1374
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,800
study on crohn's disease

1375
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:51,119
and my son seems to i think he's having

1376
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:52,240
pain he either

1377
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:55,119
is constipated for weeks at a time or he

1378
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:55,599
has

1379
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:58,240
really violent diarrhea and i wonder if

1380
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:00,560
he looked at him you know he's autistic

1381
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,319
and i noticed all this started when his

1382
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:04,160
autism started and

1383
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,760
andy said i don't i don't know anything

1384
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:07,200
about autism he must have called the

1385
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,200
wrong doctor she's like no no i wanted

1386
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:10,800
to look at his stomach

1387
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:14,000
and so andy agreed to and once he did

1388
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,680
multiple parents reached out so he ended

1389
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:17,680
up collecting 12 kids and what's called

1390
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:20,400
a case study now people will say this

1391
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,079
was a tiny study it should have never

1392
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,480
changed science no one would agree with

1393
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:26,720
that more than andy wakefield you do not

1394
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,720
start a hypothesis

1395
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:31,040
and then look at a thousand kids you

1396
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:31,839
look at a

1397
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,920
group small group just to see is there a

1398
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:35,520
signal is there something there

1399
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:37,599
and this study was designed to look and

1400
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:38,880
see was there a

1401
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:42,319
novel gut disease that was coinciding

1402
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:42,800
with

1403
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:45,839
autism now remember autism was

1404
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:48,960
a psychological issue a neurological

1405
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:51,920
issue not a physical disease in your

1406
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,800
body

1407
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:54,560
so that was what they were looking at

1408
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:55,920
and there was interesting

1409
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,240
parts of the study where when they would

1410
00:45:00,710 --> 00:45:00,400
have to do a colonoscopy to investigate

1411
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:00,720
the

1412
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,760
stop and

1413
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,680
some of the repetitive behaviors just

1414
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:15,599
from simply clearing

1415
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,200
their stomach and so that led to this

1416
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,520
idea that perhaps

1417
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:23,920
the gut biome the stomach is actually

1418
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:24,800
affecting

1419
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:27,200
whether it's creating autism they

1420
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:28,880
weren't sure but it definitely looked

1421
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:30,400
like it was affecting

1422
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,200
the intensity of the autism huge huge

1423
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:34,800
discovery and that's what the paper

1424
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,200
reported that there did appear to be

1425
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:39,839
a specific type of gut disease that went

1426
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:41,599
along with autism

1427
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:44,160
and where the trouble began was eight of

1428
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:45,359
the twelve parents

1429
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:47,760
in their reviews in a case study you're

1430
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:48,400
interviewing

1431
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:50,160
every doctor the child has seen

1432
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:51,839
everything the parents even the nanny

1433
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:53,200
and babysitters if they have something

1434
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:54,079
to report

1435
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,240
on mannerisms of the child it's all

1436
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:58,240
collected in the case study to get the

1437
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:59,839
most thorough understanding of what's

1438
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:00,640
going on

1439
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,960
with these 12 kids and 8 of the 12

1440
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:04,240
parents said

1441
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,640
that their child's autism started right

1442
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:08,640
after the mmr vaccine

1443
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,000
and so in the study it says near the end

1444
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,880
that 8 of the twelve parents had claimed

1445
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:16,640
that the mmr vaccine

1446
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:18,319
they believed it caused their child's

1447
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:21,839
autism it said this paper does not prove

1448
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:24,720
a causal connection between the mmr

1449
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:25,359
vaccine

1450
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:28,240
and autism more studies need to be done

1451
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:30,160
on that matter that was the entire

1452
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:31,359
intense statement

1453
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:33,440
that andy made which was eight of the

1454
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:35,119
twelve complained about it

1455
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,640
i'm not going to say it's proof that

1456
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:38,400
it's happening but i would say we should

1457
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,160
probably investigate this

1458
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:43,119
and that's what started a firestorm the

1459
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,079
idea

1460
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:46,480
that a vaccine could cause autism now by

1461
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,359
the way

1462
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,520
it wasn't totally surprising that it

1463
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:51,359
would be an issue because

1464
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,200
what we look at the study we act like

1465
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,720
andy did it by himself you hear the

1466
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:56,640
fraudulent doctor that fraudulently did

1467
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:57,520
this study and

1468
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,839
made up information none of which by the

1469
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:01,040
way has ever been proved

1470
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:03,119
and we can talk about that if you want

1471
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:04,880
to really get in the weeds but

1472
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:07,040
so andy had 12 other scientists working

1473
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,560
with him on the study the tops in the

1474
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:10,800
field the top gastroenterologist in fact

1475
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:13,680
andy didn't do any of the colonoscopies

1476
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:14,640
or any of the studies

1477
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:16,000
he stood there with a clipboard just

1478
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:17,680
reporting what the scientists and

1479
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,800
doctors that were working with the

1480
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:20,240
children were finding

1481
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:22,720
and those doctors sat andy down and said

1482
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,200
i don't know if we should put this part

1483
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:27,280
about the eight parents claiming the mmr

1484
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,720
vaccine caused the issue

1485
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,400
and they said it's gonna cause problems

1486
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,559
for our school we get a lot of funding

1487
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:34,400
from the pharmaceutical industry

1488
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:35,839
and the health department is gonna get

1489
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:38,079
pissed off and andy said well let me ask

1490
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:39,440
you all a question then because this is

1491
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,000
really about

1492
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:42,880
ethics then if the eight parents had

1493
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,880
said the autism started right

1494
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:46,880
after they had a natural measles

1495
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:47,920
infection

1496
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:51,119
would we write that into our study

1497
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:53,760
and all the scientists said of course we

1498
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,480
would

1499
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:56,160
and he said okay so then what you're

1500
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:57,680
telling me is the only reason

1501
00:48:01,109 --> 00:48:00,160
we wouldn't write that vaccines do it is

1502
00:48:02,549 --> 00:48:01,119
because

1503
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:02,559
we're worried the pharmaceutical

1504
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:04,400
industry would have power and that

1505
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:06,160
somehow we have to protect them

1506
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,839
he's like that doesn't sound ethical to

1507
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:09,839
me and they all agreed and they let

1508
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:12,160
andy put it in the paper now i want to

1509
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:13,520
make one point

1510
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:16,480
here you had 12 of the top scientists in

1511
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:17,119
the world

1512
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:19,599
they were expressing concern of the heat

1513
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:21,760
that was going to come down

1514
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:23,839
over this statement by eight of the

1515
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:26,640
parents they sat andy down about it

1516
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,119
now if andy was going to commit

1517
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:31,520
scientific fraud and somehow

1518
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:34,880
slip false data the data that these

1519
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,800
scientists had provided

1520
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,960
and they all signed their name to this

1521
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:40,160
study now maybe

1522
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:42,400
i would guess that scientists are pretty

1523
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,839
keen on reading

1524
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,680
every single word of a study before they

1525
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,960
sign their name to it

1526
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:49,200
but how about 12 scientists that knew

1527
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:50,480
that they were going to come under

1528
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:52,880
pressure because of this vaccine issue

1529
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:55,760
i assure you those 12 scientists must

1530
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:57,119
have combed through

1531
00:49:00,950 --> 00:49:00,000
that thing like no study that's ever

1532
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:00,960
been done

1533
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,800
and andy said that was the case he had

1534
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:04,800
to rewrite it five times to make them

1535
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:05,760
all happy

1536
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:09,040
so this idea that andy somehow

1537
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:12,079
manipulated a study under the nose of 12

1538
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,920
of the best scientists in the world were

1539
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,359
already paranoid

1540
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,440
that is what started me on this journey

1541
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,440
when i first heard about him like that

1542
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:22,079
can't be possible you were saying he's

1543
00:49:26,510 --> 00:49:24,480
not just a fraudulent scientist then

1544
00:49:28,829 --> 00:49:26,520
he must be one of the greatest

1545
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:28,839
diabolical minds in the history of

1546
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:31,839
mankind that could manipulate the minds

1547
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:32,480
of 12

1548
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,520
top scientists i've met him i assure you

1549
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,280
that is not the case so what happened

1550
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:39,440
was a hit job it was a hit job by our

1551
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:40,640
health departments

1552
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:43,200
in the uk and it was a hit job by the

1553
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:44,079
general medical

1554
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:47,440
council they had to ruin andy

1555
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:50,000
and the way they did it is you will hear

1556
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,720
that

1557
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,640
andy was a fraud he proved it

1558
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:54,240
manipulated data

1559
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:55,839
he did lose his license the general

1560
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:58,000
medical council had a long case against

1561
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:59,839
him and the other lead scientist

1562
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:01,839
professor john walker smith

1563
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:04,640
but they didn't lose their license for

1564
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:05,359
fraud

1565
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:08,319
or manipulating data they lost a license

1566
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:08,640
for

1567
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:11,680
medical malpractice and what it came

1568
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:13,599
down to and the reason i had the details

1569
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:14,720
on this and anyone can read this

1570
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:15,520
themselves

1571
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,680
is because john walker smith the other

1572
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,359
guy who lost his license

1573
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:21,119
won it back a couple years ago because

1574
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:23,040
he appealed for multiple years and got

1575
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:24,559
into a real courtroom

1576
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:28,400
and the judge wrote an 80 page beat down

1577
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,000
of the general medical council saying

1578
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:31,920
this is the worst handled case i've ever

1579
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:32,800
seen

1580
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:35,280
and the general medical council has no

1581
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:36,960
jurisdiction or

1582
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:39,839
ability to properly handle this case

1583
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:41,359
there were so many problems with how it

1584
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:42,319
was handled

1585
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:44,960
but what is laid out is exactly what i'm

1586
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:47,040
going to tell you they lost their

1587
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,079
license for malpractice because what was

1588
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:52,079
determined was that there's either

1589
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:54,240
clinical investigation

1590
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:57,520
or medical research okay so

1591
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:59,599
those two terms decided the fate of

1592
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,520
these doctors and this is why it came

1593
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:03,359
down to did they need

1594
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:06,480
ethical approval to do colonoscopies

1595
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:08,800
and spinal taps on the 12 children

1596
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:09,839
you'll hear it

1597
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:11,599
really put in an ugly way they'll say

1598
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,119
andy wakefield

1599
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:15,839
abused handicapped children and did

1600
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:17,680
invasive procedures

1601
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:19,760
as though a colonoscopy is an invasive

1602
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:21,520
procedure you have to remember these 12

1603
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:22,480
kids

1604
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:24,800
all had intestinal problems so the only

1605
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:25,920
way to look at it

1606
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:27,680
is a colonoscopy but they want to make

1607
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:29,680
it sound as ugly as they can

1608
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:31,839
but here's what it comes down to they

1609
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:34,079
didn't get ethical approval to do those

1610
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:35,359
and they lost their license

1611
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:38,000
because of it now the question you have

1612
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,839
to ask yourself is was it ethical and

1613
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:41,280
this is what the judge looked at

1614
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:43,440
so there's two terms you either have

1615
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:44,800
medical research or clinical

1616
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:46,000
investigation

1617
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:49,200
your doctor does

1618
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,280
if you come into your doctor and they

1619
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:53,359
decide to do a colonoscopy on you

1620
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:56,079
and a spinal tap they're doing that for

1621
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:57,599
your health they're trying to make

1622
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,839
you healthier that's clinical

1623
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,440
investigation and if that's what you're

1624
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:03,599
doing you don't need ethical approval

1625
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:06,240
but medical research means i'm going to

1626
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:08,960
do a colonoscopy on you in a spinal tap

1627
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:10,640
not for your health i could care less

1628
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:12,000
about your health i'm actually doing a

1629
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:13,200
study about

1630
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:16,160
national or world health and so i'm not

1631
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:17,119
going to treat you

1632
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:19,040
and so obviously if you're going to do

1633
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:20,960
an investigation in someone's body like

1634
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:22,480
that and not treat them

1635
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:26,079
you would need ethical approval and why

1636
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:28,160
john walker smith got his license back

1637
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:29,920
is the judge said it is so

1638
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:33,359
clear that these 12 children

1639
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:34,960
that it was clinical investigation

1640
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:37,200
because john walker smith

1641
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:39,280
not only treated them during the study

1642
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:41,359
he also went on to treat them for years

1643
00:52:44,510 --> 00:52:42,160
afterwards

1644
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:44,520
so doing the spinal tap and doing the

1645
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:45,680
colonoscopies

1646
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:47,359
was so that he could treat those

1647
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:48,720
children understand what was going on

1648
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:49,359
with them

1649
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:51,440
and the general medical council had

1650
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:53,760
ruled that it was only medical research

1651
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:55,520
and they needed ethical approval because

1652
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:56,720
they didn't get it they lost their

1653
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:58,480
licenses so there it is

1654
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,400
that's why andy wakefield lost his

1655
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:02,319
license it was on a hoax

1656
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:04,160
put together by the pharmaceutical

1657
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:05,599
industry work with the general medical

1658
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:06,079
council

1659
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,960
but i will still say this let's say it

1660
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:10,800
wasn't ethical let's just go ahead and

1661
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:11,760
say that

1662
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:14,000
john walker smith hadn't gotten his

1663
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:15,040
license back

1664
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:17,680
i still question the fact that the study

1665
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:18,640
was pulled

1666
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:22,319
they said well it was retracted

1667
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:24,960
but hear me out this would be like if

1668
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:26,480
two police officers

1669
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:28,400
are called to a house and they hear

1670
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:30,240
screaming inside they rush into the

1671
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:30,960
house

1672
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:32,720
i hope there's no children because this

1673
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:34,400
is a graphic detail but they run in the

1674
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:34,880
house

1675
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:36,800
and there's someone laying dead on the

1676
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:38,720
kitchen floor and the throat has been

1677
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:39,440
slit

1678
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:41,200
and they run in and they search the

1679
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:42,880
house and in the closet the master

1680
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:43,440
bedroom

1681
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:45,280
they find a guy standing there with a

1682
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:47,359
bloody knife and they arrest him

1683
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:50,880
and then you end up in court and the guy

1684
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:52,880
gets off on a technicality because

1685
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:54,079
someone says well

1686
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:56,319
those police officers had no right to go

1687
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:57,359
into that house

1688
00:54:01,750 --> 00:53:58,960
they should have gotten a search warrant

1689
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,760
from a judge and because they didn't

1690
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:04,079
this murderer is going to walk does that

1691
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,319
mean that the murderer didn't do it

1692
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:08,400
even if it wasn't maybe the right

1693
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,680
ethical and they should have had a

1694
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:11,280
search warrant it's still we watched

1695
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:12,880
this happen we've watched it happen in

1696
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:13,520
cases

1697
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:16,000
but we still know that that guy did it

1698
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:17,760
the same is true here

1699
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:19,839
it doesn't change what they discovered

1700
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:21,680
in the study even if it had been

1701
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,480
unethical and luckily it wasn't and yet

1702
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:26,720
we have rewritten the history of the

1703
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:28,480
world of the mmr vaccine

1704
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:31,280
around this study it's really really a

1705
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:32,640
tragedy of science

1706
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,559
and it will one day when i worked with

1707
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,400
andy on baxter i said

1708
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,720
you know are you worried that the world

1709
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:40,559
will never know the truth and he said no

1710
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:42,240
i'm not not at all

1711
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:43,680
he says there's no way they won't know

1712
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:45,760
the truth because every year

1713
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:48,559
autism continues to grow and eventually

1714
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:49,200
it will be

1715
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:51,040
one in two children they will have

1716
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:52,480
looked everywhere else and it will

1717
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:54,319
become obvious that the parents were

1718
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:56,400
always right the eyewitnesses

1719
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:58,640
had it right from the beginning he said

1720
00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:59,680
so one day

1721
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:02,240
history will report it correctly and say

1722
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:04,160
it was vaccines that were doing it

1723
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:06,240
the question is are we at one in two

1724
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:07,680
children with autism

1725
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:10,000
by the time they finally admit it and

1726
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,280
that's what we're up against

1727
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:13,440
how long is it going to take and how

1728
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:14,480
long we can allow

1729
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:17,280
the health departments and the doctors

1730
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:18,960
of the world to push

1731
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:21,520
this idea that it's not what the

1732
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:23,119
eyewitnesses are saying they got it

1733
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:23,920
wrong

1734
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:26,480
while we watch remember autism has gone

1735
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:28,559
from one in ten thousand children in the

1736
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:30,000
1970s

1737
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:33,200
to now officially the most official

1738
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:36,079
capture of it is in new jersey 1 in 32

1739
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:37,280
children in new jersey is being

1740
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:38,720
diagnosed with autism

1741
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:40,079
we believe that's probably the rate

1742
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:42,160
across the country somewhere between 1

1743
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:43,839
and 32 and 1 and 36

1744
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:46,240
and boys have a much higher prevalence

1745
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:48,000
so it looks like boys could be somewhere

1746
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,040
in one in 22 boys is being diagnosed

1747
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:53,280
with autism up from one in 10 000

1748
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,799
that is a crisis that should be the

1749
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:58,400
number one story

1750
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:01,440
on every news station in america

1751
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:04,240
not tens of people in washington with

1752
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,119
the measles

1753
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:07,440
who were all going to go on and have

1754
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:08,720
lifelong immunity

1755
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:11,920
how about the one in 22 boys that are

1756
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:14,000
being diagnosed with autism this year

1757
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:17,680
how is that not an epidemic how is that

1758
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:21,359
not scary because we get to one and two

1759
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:23,599
and you no longer have the united states

1760
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:25,200
of america you can't mount

1761
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:27,520
a standing army you'll be lucky if you

1762
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:29,520
can mount the standing starbucks

1763
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:31,520
because either you or someone in your

1764
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:33,280
family you're taking care of

1765
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:40,470
man it is so sad and so dark but

1766
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:42,319
those details are very important when it

1767
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,720
comes to andy wakefield's case because

1768
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:46,319
those talking points are still out there

1769
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:46,720
so

1770
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:48,480
i do appreciate you walking us through

1771
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:50,079
that and so

1772
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:52,880
i know that the last three years that

1773
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:54,720
you've worked it's been dedicated to

1774
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:57,520
vaccine safety specifically but i've

1775
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,000
heard you

1776
00:57:01,670 --> 00:57:00,160
say that next you'll be looking at

1777
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:01,680
vaccine ethically

1778
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:04,160
yeah and i guess i'm curious what falls

1779
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:05,839
under that umbrella can you talk to us a

1780
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:06,960
little more about this

1781
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,079
pivot and your work going forward well

1782
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:12,480
the reason we're moving on is because we

1783
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:13,760
have proven beyond

1784
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:17,040
a shadow of a doubt that the safety

1785
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,280
does not exist for vaccines that there's

1786
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:21,200
no way for them to say they're safe

1787
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:23,440
and any decent scientist that looks at

1788
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:24,960
the work we've done so

1789
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:26,960
like i said we've won several lawsuits

1790
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:28,400
against government health agencies but

1791
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:29,839
we've been in a debate with health and

1792
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:31,119
human services

1793
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:33,920
we sent it 37 pages i think it was 37 is

1794
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:34,880
how you print it out but

1795
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:36,960
document with all the issues that we had

1796
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:38,319
brought up with the national institute

1797
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:39,280
of health meeting

1798
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:41,040
there were internal emails that went

1799
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,720
backward they continued not answer our

1800
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:44,640
questions but because that was so behind

1801
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:45,520
closed doors

1802
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:46,720
and off the record and we weren't

1803
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:48,240
allowed to share those interactions with

1804
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:49,200
the health department

1805
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:51,200
we said screw it let's just make a

1806
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:53,119
public document and send it in and make

1807
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:53,359
them

1808
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:54,880
answer these questions in public since

1809
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:57,520
they're evading us behind closed doors

1810
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,799
in front of trump's

1811
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:00,720
people that were involved and so we

1812
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:02,960
submitted the health and human services

1813
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:05,839
notice and then after many months they

1814
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:06,880
responded

1815
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:09,119
with their own document and pointing to

1816
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:11,040
citations of studies that they thought

1817
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:11,520
proved

1818
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,280
and we

1819
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:17,280
took a year reading literally thousands

1820
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:18,720
of studies so that we wouldn't be

1821
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:19,680
inaccurate

1822
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,920
and we have just released about a month

1823
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:23,280
or so ago

1824
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:26,240
the icann response to hhs it's

1825
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:27,839
essentially icann's my non-profit

1826
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:29,359
informed consent action network

1827
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:31,680
we had 50 groups representing over 5

1828
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:33,520
million people sign on to these

1829
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:34,480
interactions

1830
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:36,559
and so all that's available on my

1831
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:38,400
website ikendecide.org

1832
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:40,559
but we challenged every part of safety

1833
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:41,839
and improved

1834
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:43,839
i think beyond a shadow of a doubt that

1835
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:45,040
no one can tell you these things are

1836
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:45,599
safe

1837
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:48,160
but because the science is so poor

1838
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:50,319
shockingly i mean i'm really actually

1839
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:51,440
surprised

1840
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:54,400
how really non-existent a decent answer

1841
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:55,200
is

1842
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,640
safety

1843
00:59:01,829 --> 00:59:00,720
i mean i assumed they had done some of

1844
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:01,839
the safety

1845
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:04,400
science or even law of averages they

1846
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:05,920
would have accidentally done a decent

1847
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:07,440
study but they really haven't

1848
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:10,000
so now it makes us think well geez if

1849
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:11,440
they've been lying about

1850
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:13,920
safety all this time then let's start

1851
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:15,839
looking closer at their studies on

1852
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:17,440
efficacy meaning

1853
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:19,440
how effective it is at stopping the

1854
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:21,280
disease and how long that

1855
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,160
effectiveness lasts and so that's where

1856
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:26,400
we're going to start investigating

1857
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:27,599
because

1858
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:30,640
there are a lot of problems for instance

1859
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:33,680
mumps the mumps outbreaks that we've

1860
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:35,359
been watching over the last couple years

1861
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:36,480
are happening in

1862
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:39,040
fully vaccinated communities in college

1863
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:40,720
campuses where they all have had their

1864
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:42,720
mmr vaccines and are up to date many

1865
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:43,680
universities

1866
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:44,960
already mandate that you have to have

1867
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:46,480
the mmr yet that's where the mumps

1868
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:47,839
outbreaks are happening

1869
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:51,119
in hockey teams and professional sports

1870
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:51,920
where

1871
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:53,839
most the time when they look at it those

1872
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:55,680
athletes are fully up to date on their

1873
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:57,119
vaccines why are they having mumps

1874
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:59,200
outbreaks and i told you earlier

1875
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:01,280
that before any of these bumps outbreaks

1876
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:03,520
we had stephen craling and joan

1877
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:06,400
wilkowski i think is how you stare name

1878
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:08,319
two scientists from merck come forward

1879
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:08,559
as

1880
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:11,839
whistleblowers suing merck saying

1881
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:13,920
that we were forced to manipulate the

1882
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:15,200
study on mumps because the

1883
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:18,079
fda was seeing that all of these

1884
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:19,359
outbreaks of mumps were happening

1885
01:00:24,069 --> 01:00:21,440
amongst fully vaccinated people

1886
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:24,079
so the fda actually said to merck we

1887
01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:25,359
want you to look into this you're going

1888
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:27,520
to have to redo your study and prove to

1889
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:29,680
us that the mumps strain you're using is

1890
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:31,119
efficacious

1891
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:33,440
and so stephen craly was the head he's

1892
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:34,720
put in charge of the study

1893
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:37,599
so they ran the studies in mouse models

1894
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:39,520
and things like that to try and see you

1895
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:39,839
know

1896
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:41,760
how long the efficacy was and it was

1897
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:43,200
almost non-existent

1898
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:45,040
the screen was no longer working to

1899
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:47,440
protect or create titers for months

1900
01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:48,960
and they reported that the american

1901
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:50,559
merch said that we can't do that

1902
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:52,400
the reason being they couldn't change

1903
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:53,839
their mumps strain because that would

1904
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:55,520
mean they would lose the patent

1905
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:57,440
and they would lose control over the mmr

1906
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:59,520
which is a big cash cow in america and

1907
01:01:02,390 --> 01:01:00,720
around the world

1908
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:02,400
so if they shifted someone else could

1909
01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:04,079
move in and grab that spot

1910
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:06,079
so then they forced even said use rabbit

1911
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:07,760
spoiler this is literally with a story

1912
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:09,680
that stevens told to the courts

1913
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:12,000
and is still in court they made me use

1914
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:13,680
rabbit's blood instead of human blood i

1915
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:14,960
guess for some reason they thought the

1916
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:15,520
titus

1917
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:17,520
might hold up better there the antigens

1918
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:18,720
and that didn't work

1919
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:20,480
and they tried all sorts of gimmicks

1920
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:22,000
like that and when it finally didn't

1921
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:22,559
work

1922
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:24,720
they just wrote in the numbers they

1923
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:26,079
wanted it to be

1924
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:28,480
just made it up so there's one instance

1925
01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:30,400
where efficacy is becoming a real

1926
01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:32,000
problem another one

1927
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:33,839
that you can look at right now in los

1928
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:35,200
angeles there's a

1929
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:38,319
huge pertussis outbreak in a school

1930
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:41,440
in a private school specifically amongst

1931
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:43,680
fully vaccinated children the article

1932
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:44,880
read in the paper

1933
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:46,400
they're saying that you cannot blame the

1934
01:01:51,030 --> 01:01:49,040
anti-vaxxers on this pertussis outbreak

1935
01:01:52,470 --> 01:01:51,040
and in fact there's 18 kids in the

1936
01:01:54,069 --> 01:01:52,480
school that are not vaccinated and

1937
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:54,079
they're one of the only ones not getting

1938
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:56,960
pertussis which also proves a point that

1939
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:58,400
i've been trying to make for a very long

1940
01:02:01,589 --> 01:01:59,039
time

1941
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:01,599
and when we look at pertussis

1942
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:03,920
specifically there are some really

1943
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:05,119
really alarming

1944
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:07,599
discussions that we've had about that

1945
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:09,599
there's been two studies using baboons

1946
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:11,680
now you can't test a vaccine on a human

1947
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:12,240
being well

1948
01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:13,760
they're already not doing the safety

1949
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:15,599
studies of placebos i told you about

1950
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:18,240
but they also can't do an assault study

1951
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:19,119
which means

1952
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:21,839
or an insult study where you're given a

1953
01:02:25,910 --> 01:02:24,079
vaccine and then they put you in contact

1954
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:25,920
with the virus or the bacteria

1955
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:27,280
it's supposed to protect to see if it

1956
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:29,760
works obviously that would definitely be

1957
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:30,640
unethical

1958
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:32,000
to do to human beings so they use

1959
01:02:37,109 --> 01:02:35,200
baboons and baboons studied pertussis

1960
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:37,119
actually the dtap vaccine diphtheria

1961
01:02:41,029 --> 01:02:39,280
tetanus and acellular pertussis

1962
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:41,039
which is what we use on our children

1963
01:02:45,430 --> 01:02:43,039
they gave it to a group of baboons

1964
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:45,440
they gave a saline injection to another

1965
01:02:50,069 --> 01:02:47,119
group so that they got nothing

1966
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:50,079
and then they had a group that oh dtp

1967
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:51,200
vaccine let's not even get into that

1968
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:52,799
that just adds a complication

1969
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:54,960
so dtap and the unvaccinated group and

1970
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:56,559
then they submit them and they put them

1971
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:58,079
in front of pertussis

1972
01:03:01,750 --> 01:03:00,559
and as would be expected the group that

1973
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:01,760
had the vaccine

1974
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,440
didn't have a cough in the group of

1975
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:05,520
baboons that didn't have the vaccine

1976
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:07,520
they got pertussis they coughed

1977
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:10,000
a bunch none of them died they ended up

1978
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:11,920
surviving and they were fine

1979
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:14,000
but then they did a follow-up study then

1980
01:03:18,549 --> 01:03:15,200
a few months later

1981
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:18,559
they subjected them to pertussis again

1982
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:22,160
and what they found was that the natural

1983
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:24,400
immunity of the baboons

1984
01:03:29,029 --> 01:03:26,480
held up that they didn't end up

1985
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:29,039
colonizing the pertussis in their lungs

1986
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:32,079
but that the vaccinated group did that

1987
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:32,400
they

1988
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:36,079
have the cough

1989
01:03:41,029 --> 01:03:39,039
and so what they discovered is that all

1990
01:03:43,270 --> 01:03:41,039
the vaccine is doing

1991
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:43,280
is stopping your symptoms which is great

1992
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:45,119
who wants that cough i get that that's

1993
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:46,799
fine that's what you want to protect

1994
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:49,520
but all the advertising is saying if

1995
01:03:54,069 --> 01:03:51,839
you've seen the big bad wolf ads

1996
01:03:55,109 --> 01:03:54,079
if babies at home and grandma wants to

1997
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:55,119
come and visit

1998
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:57,440
make grandma get her dtap vaccine to

1999
01:04:00,630 --> 01:03:58,799
protect that baby

2000
01:04:02,549 --> 01:04:00,640
and they show grandma turns into the big

2001
01:04:03,589 --> 01:04:02,559
bad wolf if she decides not to get the

2002
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:03,599
vaccine

2003
01:04:06,630 --> 01:04:04,880
but think about what they're saying

2004
01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:06,640
they're saying it's dangerous to visit

2005
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:09,440
the baby if you're unvaccinated for dtap

2006
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:11,440
but when the truth is that you're

2007
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:13,039
actually more dangerous if you've had

2008
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:13,839
the vaccine

2009
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:15,680
because you don't know if you're

2010
01:04:19,750 --> 01:04:17,760
carrying it into that house

2011
01:04:21,430 --> 01:04:19,760
it can be in your body but you have no

2012
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:21,440
alarm you have no cough

2013
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:24,400
warning you you are a carrier of

2014
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:25,359
pertussis

2015
01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:28,000
and so the opposite is true if you don't

2016
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:29,119
have the vaccine you're gonna have a

2017
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:30,000
cough you're gonna say

2018
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:31,599
baby i probably shouldn't come over and

2019
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:33,359
visit your new child because i have this

2020
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:34,799
cough i don't know if it's pertussis or

2021
01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:35,839
not but why risk it

2022
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:37,680
if you have the vaccine you feel great

2023
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:39,440
you're walking over and you can be a

2024
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:40,799
silent deadly killer

2025
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:43,760
and then a new study just came out even

2026
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:45,119
more fascinating we just talked about

2027
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:47,200
this on the high wire last week

2028
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:49,200
that looked at all the studies that are

2029
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:50,640
going on and reviews

2030
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:53,280
of the dtap vaccine around the world and

2031
01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:54,400
what they discovered

2032
01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:57,520
is that the dtap vaccine if you have

2033
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:58,400
gotten it

2034
01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:01,440
you are going to have more pertussis

2035
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:03,760
throughout your life than if you hadn't

2036
01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:06,000
gotten it you are going to be developing

2037
01:05:09,510 --> 01:05:07,200
more pertussis

2038
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:09,520
because of the way the vaccine works it

2039
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:11,440
doesn't prime the body to actually

2040
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:13,760
recognize pertussis correctly

2041
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:15,839
and even more shock in the article it

2042
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:17,200
says this error

2043
01:05:22,870 --> 01:05:19,920
that is going to cause more pertussis in

2044
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:22,880
everybody that's gotten the dtap vaccine

2045
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:26,640
cannot be reversed

2046
01:05:30,549 --> 01:05:29,599
which is why i say you should always

2047
01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:30,559
have a choice

2048
01:05:34,150 --> 01:05:32,319
whether you want to use these vaccines

2049
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:34,160
because now we know every

2050
01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:36,480
child that got a dtap vaccine is going

2051
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:38,960
to suffer from pertussis more often

2052
01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:41,520
the rest of their life because of it and

2053
01:05:45,670 --> 01:05:42,720
those that didn't get it

2054
01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:45,680
guess what they'll have pertussis once

2055
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:47,920
and maybe there is some i'm not going to

2056
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:48,960
overstate it

2057
01:05:53,589 --> 01:05:52,079
it is one of the few illnesses that it

2058
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:53,599
looks like you may not

2059
01:05:58,549 --> 01:05:56,720
maintain lifelong immunity to but you

2060
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:58,559
will certainly have decades if you got

2061
01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:00,000
the disease whereas

2062
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:02,400
now the dtap and the suggestion by the

2063
01:06:06,390 --> 01:06:04,000
way the suggestion of that study

2064
01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:06,400
was not so stop using dtap now the

2065
01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:07,440
suggestion was

2066
01:06:12,309 --> 01:06:09,119
i believe we should be giving deep tap

2067
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:12,319
then every three years

2068
01:06:15,670 --> 01:06:14,720
packed with aluminum and all sorts of

2069
01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:15,680
crap

2070
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:18,000
every three years this is what's going

2071
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:19,760
to happen if they mandate vaccines by

2072
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:20,559
the way

2073
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:22,240
and we should probably get into that

2074
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:24,000
because the laws now are getting

2075
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:24,960
terrifying

2076
01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:26,480
you have people that have been

2077
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:28,720
brainwashed into thinking that vaccines

2078
01:06:31,349 --> 01:06:29,920
have saved their lives

2079
01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:31,359
they don't look at any of the science

2080
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:33,039
i've discussed and now all of your

2081
01:06:36,789 --> 01:06:34,160
politicians

2082
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:36,799
certainly it tends to lean more liberal

2083
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:38,480
which is unfortunate i say that as a

2084
01:06:42,309 --> 01:06:40,400
lifelong progressive liberal and bobby

2085
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:42,319
kennedy is calling it out too

2086
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:44,240
yes the son of the kennedy family is

2087
01:06:48,549 --> 01:06:45,520
saying i don't know why

2088
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:48,559
liberals are getting behind censorship

2089
01:06:52,390 --> 01:06:49,920
and you know they're taking away our

2090
01:06:54,950 --> 01:06:52,400
right to opt out of the vaccine program

2091
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:54,960
and what that means and it's probably in

2092
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:56,000
every almost

2093
01:06:59,589 --> 01:06:57,280
i think there's seven maybe moving

2094
01:07:00,069 --> 01:06:59,599
towards ten states are looking to remove

2095
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:00,079
all of your

2096
01:07:03,190 --> 01:07:02,240
exemptions to opt out of the vaccine

2097
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:03,200
program that means

2098
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:05,200
you can't just skip one when they call

2099
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:06,880
us antibacterials lots of people just

2100
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:08,720
say i don't need the rotavirus vaccine

2101
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:10,480
or i don't think chickenpox is a vaccine

2102
01:07:12,549 --> 01:07:11,680
i need and they're suddenly an

2103
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:12,559
antibacter

2104
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:14,480
for just deciding to drop one of the

2105
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:15,599
vaccines our

2106
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:17,280
government wants to make it so that you

2107
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:20,319
can't do that in california we know

2108
01:07:23,990 --> 01:07:23,440
that sb 277 took our right to choose a

2109
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:24,000
way

2110
01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:26,000
if we want to go to a public or a

2111
01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:27,440
private school with our kids

2112
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:30,079
but here's what's happening folks take

2113
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:31,440
the word vaccine

2114
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:34,000
out of it let's really try and

2115
01:07:39,349 --> 01:07:36,240
critically think about this for a second

2116
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:39,359
we are saying that we are okay that the

2117
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:40,000
government

2118
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:43,039
force injects our children and there

2119
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:44,000
will be laws

2120
01:07:48,069 --> 01:07:45,839
right around the corner for every adult

2121
01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:48,079
force inject us with products we have no

2122
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:49,039
control over

2123
01:07:52,470 --> 01:07:50,880
that they never tell us the truth on as

2124
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:52,480
you pointed out the pharmaceutical

2125
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:54,640
industry lies all the time i've pointed

2126
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:56,720
out multiple lies by the cdc in this

2127
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:58,000
conversation

2128
01:08:01,990 --> 01:08:00,079
you are going to be force injected with

2129
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:02,000
products you have no control over

2130
01:08:07,109 --> 01:08:04,559
now i don't know that i need to tell you

2131
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:07,119
that nazi germany did similar things or

2132
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:09,119
other countries have tried similar

2133
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:10,319
things that

2134
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:13,760
ended up being considered atrocities

2135
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:16,080
but do you want to live in a nation

2136
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:17,920
where the government

2137
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:20,960
actually treats you as property because

2138
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:22,080
that's what it is

2139
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:24,080
go ahead and keep referring to the herd

2140
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:26,319
because they are considering you a herd

2141
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:28,799
you are a herd owned by the united

2142
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:30,400
states government and if you allow them

2143
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:32,400
to take your exemptions away

2144
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:35,679
that means you no longer own

2145
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:38,480
your own body the government does so

2146
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:40,319
forget about your gun rights

2147
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:42,480
forget about your land rights forget

2148
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:44,400
about your water rights your right to

2149
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:45,839
free speech

2150
01:08:49,030 --> 01:08:48,560
right now hanging in the balance in the

2151
01:08:51,749 --> 01:08:49,040
senate

2152
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:51,759
in the congress throughout you know many

2153
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:53,520
of our state capitals

2154
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:56,640
is the decision to say you do not

2155
01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:00,000
have a right to control your own

2156
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:04,480
body people please please wake up

2157
01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:07,759
now our founding fathers are rolling

2158
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:09,440
over in their graves

2159
01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:12,000
don't be so terrified of two percent of

2160
01:09:14,709 --> 01:09:12,880
the children

2161
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:14,719
that are going to go on to have lifelong

2162
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:16,719
immunity to the diseases they contract

2163
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:17,600
at home

2164
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:19,440
there's no case of them ever killing

2165
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:21,359
anybody once they got it

2166
01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:22,719
and they end up being the healthiest

2167
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:25,520
kids by every study across the world

2168
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:28,560
doesn't matter force injections

2169
01:09:32,309 --> 01:09:30,480
and think about donald trump because

2170
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:32,319
this is a huge push by

2171
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:34,880
liberal progressives and every one of

2172
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:35,520
them

2173
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:37,279
talk to me about donald trump as though

2174
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:39,279
he's the antichrist in the end of the

2175
01:09:43,229 --> 01:09:40,239
world

2176
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:43,239
for them their anti-trump and

2177
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:44,880
pro-vaccine mandate

2178
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:48,000
i have this to say to you donald

2179
01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:50,560
trump who you're angry is going to try

2180
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:52,480
and force to build a wall

2181
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:55,360
could have control over your body if you

2182
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:56,560
let the democrats

2183
01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:58,320
take away your rights to choose what

2184
01:10:02,390 --> 01:09:59,600
happens to your body

2185
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:02,400
the president of the united states folks

2186
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:05,600
puts into office the head of the cdc

2187
01:10:09,669 --> 01:10:08,159
the head of the fda the head of the

2188
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:09,679
national institute of health

2189
01:10:15,189 --> 01:10:13,040
the head of the epa so

2190
01:10:17,430 --> 01:10:15,199
all the people that decide what is going

2191
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:17,440
to be mandated into your body

2192
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:20,320
are put into their positions by the

2193
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:21,600
president of the united states so if

2194
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:23,040
you're afraid of donald trump

2195
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:26,080
please wake up right now and know that

2196
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:28,239
what if someone worse would have someone

2197
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:30,000
even more controlling do we

2198
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:32,960
really really think that our nation is

2199
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:33,840
so smart

2200
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:36,560
it will never vote in a mussolini a

2201
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:37,199
hitler

2202
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:40,640
or someone that has at least bad

2203
01:10:46,149 --> 01:10:43,920
ideas for maybe the darker people the

2204
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:46,159
black people the african-americans the

2205
01:10:49,030 --> 01:10:46,880
asians

2206
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:49,040
the latinos or maybe gays maybe they

2207
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:50,400
don't like gays

2208
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:52,480
if you have a forced vaccination program

2209
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:53,840
where you're having to show up every

2210
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:55,280
year and get injected with things you

2211
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:56,560
don't know about

2212
01:10:59,590 --> 01:10:58,719
don't be shocked if suddenly oh my god

2213
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:59,600
look at that

2214
01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:01,280
in that poor community down there

2215
01:11:04,950 --> 01:11:03,440
they're having real trouble giving birth

2216
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:04,960
they seem to be sterile and we don't

2217
01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:06,640
know why

2218
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:08,159
maybe i'm living in a science fiction

2219
01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:10,159
movie maybe it's all going to be okay

2220
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:11,520
that the government's going to own our

2221
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:13,280
bodies maybe it's okay the

2222
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:14,960
pharmaceutical industry is the most

2223
01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:17,280
powerful lobbying in washington

2224
01:11:21,030 --> 01:11:18,800
outspending oil and gas

2225
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:21,040
two to one maybe it's okay that the

2226
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:22,560
senate hearing today

2227
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:25,440
wants to align pharma and the cdc

2228
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:27,360
together and merge them

2229
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:29,679
to work hand in hand to control your

2230
01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:31,120
body

2231
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:33,440
maybe it is you decide but if you make

2232
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:34,480
that decision

2233
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:37,679
i'm out of here yes man

2234
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:40,960
nice nice i love it and uh

2235
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:42,560
as we're winding down here i guess i

2236
01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:44,719
would just ask is there anything else to

2237
01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:46,719
say to people about how they can get

2238
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:49,040
involved or help to turn the tide on

2239
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:51,199
these issues as we're going forward

2240
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:53,440
yes you've got to call your politician

2241
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:54,719
you got to reach out

2242
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:57,120
it still works actually i travel the

2243
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:58,320
country and i talk

2244
01:12:01,910 --> 01:12:00,800
to politicians all the time and they say

2245
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:01,920
to me dell

2246
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:04,000
it's an intriguing pitch you've made

2247
01:12:07,189 --> 01:12:05,440
some really good points but why are none

2248
01:12:08,229 --> 01:12:07,199
of my constituents here complaining

2249
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:08,239
about this

2250
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:10,480
and when you have to know i know it's

2251
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:12,320
hard to get up and go and call your

2252
01:12:15,030 --> 01:12:14,320
senator your congressman your assembly

2253
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:15,040
member

2254
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,040
they know how hard that is to do so if

2255
01:12:21,830 --> 01:12:19,440
you bring your kids and your wife or

2256
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:21,840
you know your husband you represent

2257
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:24,080
thousands of people to that person

2258
01:12:28,229 --> 01:12:26,480
because they know how hard it is and

2259
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:28,239
you've got to go in and tell the truth

2260
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:30,640
and it's easy to do on days where all of

2261
01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:32,480
the groups that are behind this

2262
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:34,800
are sharing and helping you do it so you

2263
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:36,719
need to reach out start looking for

2264
01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:38,960
health choice or vaccine choice whatever

2265
01:12:43,510 --> 01:12:41,040
your state is type in health choice

2266
01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:43,520
washington or vaccine risk choice

2267
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:45,199
anything like that until you find that

2268
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:45,679
group

2269
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:49,040
or if you go to the national nvi is it

2270
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:51,920
oh shoot i got too many letters popping

2271
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:53,280
around my head anyway

2272
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:54,719
come on to my show this week i'll make

2273
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:56,400
sure to post it the high wire so you can

2274
01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:57,520
find the group near you

2275
01:13:00,630 --> 01:13:00,000
but join that group and lastly you got

2276
01:13:03,350 --> 01:13:00,640
to get out

2277
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:03,360
this is the issue of our time this is

2278
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:05,520
going to decide whether you are free or

2279
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:06,000
not

2280
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:08,239
the pharmaceutical industry is taking

2281
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:09,760
over your government they've taken over

2282
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:12,320
the cdc they've taken of the fda

2283
01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:14,080
my parents who are still liberals are

2284
01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:15,920
like donald trump's going to destroy all

2285
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:17,760
of our regulatory agencies

2286
01:13:23,270 --> 01:13:20,880
and i say oh my god i pray that he does

2287
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:23,280
because here's the problem i want

2288
01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:26,000
regulatory agencies i'm not crazy i know

2289
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:27,920
industries lie to us all the time

2290
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:30,719
but if merck is being run by pfizer and

2291
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:33,120
cenophiaventis i mean if cdc's being run

2292
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:34,080
by merck and

2293
01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:36,080
cenophobia business and pfizer which it

2294
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:37,280
is then

2295
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:38,800
you don't have a regulatory agency if

2296
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:41,360
the fda is being run by people from

2297
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:42,400
monsanto

2298
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:44,640
and the epa is being run by people from

2299
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:46,000
exxon all of those things

2300
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:48,400
you can look up are true then you don't

2301
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:50,400
have regulatory agencies and at that

2302
01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:51,120
moment

2303
01:13:54,550 --> 01:13:53,440
at least then you will realize you're

2304
01:13:56,630 --> 01:13:54,560
all by yourself

2305
01:13:57,750 --> 01:13:56,640
and you better start questioning

2306
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:57,760
everybody and

2307
01:14:01,189 --> 01:14:00,320
everything and reading every label and

2308
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:01,199
lastly

2309
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:03,280
when it comes to this issue we've

2310
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:04,320
touched on it

2311
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:07,199
i want to simply put it this way the

2312
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:08,880
pharmaceutical industry

2313
01:14:14,310 --> 01:14:12,320
lies to us on a constant basis there are

2314
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:14,320
lawyers on your television every week

2315
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:16,000
saying if you've been injured by this

2316
01:14:19,990 --> 01:14:16,880
drug

2317
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:20,000
get on to our lawsuit and

2318
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:22,159
we have seen lawsuits for vioxx where

2319
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:23,440
they killed 65

2320
01:14:27,990 --> 01:14:26,320
000 people before we found out they knew

2321
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:28,000
the drug caused heart attacks from the

2322
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:29,520
beginning the whole time

2323
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:31,840
as you pointed out earlier on johnson

2324
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:32,560
and johnson

2325
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:34,719
knew there was asbestos in the talcum

2326
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:37,280
powder we were sprinkling on our babies

2327
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:39,360
genitals they knew it the whole time

2328
01:14:43,590 --> 01:14:42,000
and oxycontin look at oxycontin the

2329
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:43,600
oxycontin epidemic

2330
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:45,920
is destroying tens of thousands of

2331
01:14:49,669 --> 01:14:47,040
people are dying

2332
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:49,679
every year in america from that all of

2333
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:51,600
that pushed by an industry that lied

2334
01:14:54,070 --> 01:14:53,520
that lied about its safety that lied

2335
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:54,080
about

2336
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:56,080
the addictive qualities and guess who

2337
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:57,600
was right there with them

2338
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:59,120
don't just blame the pharmaceutical

2339
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:01,440
industry the cdc and the fda have been

2340
01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:03,360
saying that oxycontin is not addictive

2341
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:04,400
the whole time

2342
01:15:08,470 --> 01:15:06,400
they've been saying that vioxx was safe

2343
01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:08,480
the whole time until it proved not to be

2344
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:10,159
they've been saying that talcum powder

2345
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:12,239
is safe and they're the ones telling you

2346
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:13,679
that vaccines

2347
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:17,520
are safe now add to that

2348
01:15:22,149 --> 01:15:20,560
every product i just mentioned you can

2349
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:22,159
sue the manufacturer

2350
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:23,760
which means they've got to be worried

2351
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:25,440
about it and they end up paying out

2352
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:28,320
billions of dollars but there's one

2353
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:29,679
product this industry

2354
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:32,960
cannot be sued for only one and that's

2355
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:35,520
vaccines the product is being injected

2356
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:37,199
into your babies

2357
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:39,360
and the product i've told you has never

2358
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:41,360
been to a safety study all those others

2359
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:42,640
even though they must have had to fake

2360
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:43,920
some things at least they had to go

2361
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:46,320
through a safety study not your vaccines

2362
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:48,480
so the only product you can't sue the

2363
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:50,480
pharmaceutical industries for

2364
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:52,480
has never been through a safety study

2365
01:15:56,070 --> 01:15:53,520
and add to that

2366
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:56,080
is the only product in this country that

2367
01:16:01,669 --> 01:15:58,960
is forced upon free citizens

2368
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:01,679
so you have taken away every market

2369
01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:03,040
force that it would be

2370
01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:06,239
for them to evolve this product and get

2371
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:09,920
the dangers and the levels to come down

2372
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:11,440
you took away the market force of

2373
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:13,120
lawsuits which would demand a better

2374
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:14,800
product and you've taken away the market

2375
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:16,239
course of choice

2376
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:19,440
and by god all the industries you would

2377
01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:20,800
give a free ride

2378
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:23,920
to to not be able to sue them is the

2379
01:16:26,390 --> 01:16:25,600
pharmaceutical industry the one you

2380
01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:26,400
choose

2381
01:16:29,430 --> 01:16:28,000
and is the product being injected into

2382
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:29,440
your children the one you'd feel good

2383
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:30,800
about that on

2384
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:32,560
i need your help folks we all need to

2385
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:34,800
get on this this is a crisis

2386
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:38,560
of astronomical consequences

2387
01:16:41,990 --> 01:16:41,040
right well great points i hope people

2388
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:42,000
are feeling

2389
01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:44,159
motivated you're doing great things

2390
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:45,760
before we really get out of here are

2391
01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:46,400
there other

2392
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:48,320
resources or plugs you'd like to throw

2393
01:16:51,430 --> 01:16:49,760
out so people can keep digging into

2394
01:16:52,630 --> 01:16:51,440
these issues and following your work you

2395
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:52,640
got icann you've got

2396
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:54,960
high wire yeah the high wires so the

2397
01:16:58,550 --> 01:16:56,960
high wire look we may all get kicked off

2398
01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:58,560
of facebook at some point so if that's

2399
01:17:01,030 --> 01:16:59,360
the case

2400
01:17:02,709 --> 01:17:01,040
our website hopefully is launching this

2401
01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:02,719
week the highwire.com

2402
01:17:07,030 --> 01:17:04,719
go to the high wire i do a live show

2403
01:17:08,229 --> 01:17:07,040
every thursday 11 a.m pacific time it's

2404
01:17:10,229 --> 01:17:08,239
a lot of fun

2405
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:10,239
we add some humor to the issue as we

2406
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:12,159
sort of give the pharmaceutical industry

2407
01:17:15,590 --> 01:17:12,960
and our

2408
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:15,600
our regulatory agencies the beat down we

2409
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:17,360
try to talk about other things like

2410
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:19,760
monsanto and things like that but there

2411
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:21,840
is so much information about vaccines

2412
01:17:24,550 --> 01:17:22,800
right now

2413
01:17:26,470 --> 01:17:24,560
it's really hard to talk about anything

2414
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:26,480
else definitely go to my nonprofit the

2415
01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:28,000
informed consent action network which

2416
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:28,960
you can find it

2417
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:32,400
i can decide dot org look at the

2418
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:33,600
government papers

2419
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:35,920
you can read all the science i'm talking

2420
01:17:40,310 --> 01:17:36,719
about and

2421
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:40,320
everything i talk about i cite and back

2422
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:42,960
up with published science all the links

2423
01:17:45,990 --> 01:17:44,560
are on our website and every time you

2424
01:17:46,750 --> 01:17:46,000
watch the high wire all you have to do

2425
01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:46,760
is type

2426
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:49,199
i-c-a-n into your comments while you're

2427
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:50,400
watching on facebook

2428
01:17:54,149 --> 01:17:52,480
and we'll send you all the science that

2429
01:17:57,350 --> 01:17:54,159
backs up our points

2430
01:18:00,390 --> 01:17:57,360
i will say this history will

2431
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:00,400
show that the science was actually

2432
01:18:05,669 --> 01:18:03,760
on the side of the antibacters that

2433
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:05,679
what was done by the pro-vaccine

2434
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:08,239
community was one of the biggest

2435
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:10,320
abominations of science that has ever

2436
01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:12,000
happened it's going to take

2437
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:14,800
some time we need you with us because

2438
01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:16,480
the longer it takes the more dangerous

2439
01:18:19,830 --> 01:18:17,120
it becomes

2440
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:19,840
the more our rights disappear we do not

2441
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:20,320
want

2442
01:18:24,390 --> 01:18:23,440
to go beyond 54 of our children with

2443
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:24,400
chronic illness

2444
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:26,400
one in four children leaving elementary

2445
01:18:29,350 --> 01:18:27,600
school on a drug

2446
01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:29,360
they'll be on the rest of their life one

2447
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:31,600
in two adults now on drugs

2448
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:33,840
this is the world this is the new normal

2449
01:18:37,830 --> 01:18:35,520
if you don't like it

2450
01:18:38,950 --> 01:18:37,840
step up and do something about it now

2451
01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:38,960
[Music]

2452
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:41,280
well said beautiful stuff well i can't

2453
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:42,159
thank you enough

2454
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:44,239
again big fan of what you do and how you

2455
01:18:48,070 --> 01:18:45,360
do it so keep

2456
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:48,080
up the good work take care and i'll see

2457
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:49,199
you next time

2458
01:18:57,510 --> 01:18:55,590
sweet dreams are made of these dear

2459
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:57,520
people the man himself

2460
01:19:01,590 --> 01:19:00,800
dell big tree gracing thc with his

2461
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:01,600
presence and

2462
01:19:07,830 --> 01:19:04,800
bringing the heat i really don't have

2463
01:19:10,390 --> 01:19:07,840
much to say that was excellent

2464
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:10,400
mined dell's work for some of what i

2465
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:11,760
considered the most

2466
01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:14,800
advanced level two things about vaccines

2467
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:16,800
rather than the basics

2468
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:18,880
and i just think we hit on so many great

2469
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:21,600
points the measles stuff was pretty wild

2470
01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:24,000
that you might be immune to other things

2471
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:26,320
like certain types of cancers by getting

2472
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:27,760
measles

2473
01:19:31,990 --> 01:19:30,000
i mean wow and also of course that a

2474
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:32,000
natural immunity lasts longer than a

2475
01:19:35,350 --> 01:19:33,840
vaccine anyway

2476
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:35,360
i kind of knew that but it's good to

2477
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:37,440
reiterate

2478
01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:38,800
and it's pretty synchronistic too

2479
01:19:42,630 --> 01:19:40,800
because i've gotten several emails from

2480
01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:42,640
listeners lately who have sent me

2481
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:44,480
various articles about the

2482
01:19:49,510 --> 01:19:46,800
political and media based campaigns to

2483
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:49,520
force usage and limit liability

2484
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:51,760
and i would write them back and say i

2485
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:53,600
got one coming for this just hang tight

2486
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:55,120
a little bit

2487
01:19:58,709 --> 01:19:56,640
and i'm sure those people are pretty

2488
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:58,719
happy that we highlighted this because

2489
01:20:02,950 --> 01:19:59,440
it's not

2490
01:20:04,310 --> 01:20:02,960
the same old vaccine conversation new

2491
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:04,320
stuff is happening

2492
01:20:07,870 --> 01:20:05,760
new stories are coming out that are

2493
01:20:11,110 --> 01:20:07,880
designed as hit pieces on

2494
01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:11,120
anti-vaxxers and i actually really like

2495
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:12,560
that dell uses the term

2496
01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:15,120
x-faxers a lot instead because it

2497
01:20:19,030 --> 01:20:16,560
implies hey

2498
01:20:20,470 --> 01:20:19,040
i was like you until i really dug into

2499
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:20,480
the issue and now i'm an

2500
01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:24,000
x-faxer to me there's this built-in

2501
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:25,679
insinuation that you learned

2502
01:20:28,709 --> 01:20:27,600
something and then changed your mind

2503
01:20:31,990 --> 01:20:28,719
it's a lot less

2504
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:32,000
polarizing a lot less me

2505
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:35,520
versus them but it says the same thing

2506
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:37,920
and in terms of hit pieces obviously in

2507
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:38,880
the vast sea

2508
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:41,280
of the internet if you see the same

2509
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:43,199
story propelled at the top of your news

2510
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:46,000
feeds in several different places

2511
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:48,000
i always consider that a bit of a

2512
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:49,360
[\h__\h] story

2513
01:20:52,950 --> 01:20:51,040
i mean it could be a real thing that

2514
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:52,960
happened but if it fits into one of

2515
01:20:56,709 --> 01:20:54,960
these agendas then you know that they

2516
01:20:57,669 --> 01:20:56,719
just push it to the front as much as

2517
01:20:59,830 --> 01:20:57,679
they can

2518
01:21:02,229 --> 01:20:59,840
and one that got me recently is this kid

2519
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:02,239
who's taking his parents to court over

2520
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:04,560
being unvaccinated

2521
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:05,600
i mean it's actually pretty

2522
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:07,600
heartbreaking

2523
01:21:11,669 --> 01:21:10,159
everyone is already a little annoyed

2524
01:21:15,030 --> 01:21:11,679
when it comes to these douchey

2525
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:15,040
tool bags smug millennial kids

2526
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:16,560
and then you have one of these types of

2527
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:18,800
kids this teenager who thinks he knows

2528
01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:20,400
everything

2529
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:22,719
putting that sort of rift between

2530
01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:24,960
himself and his parents siding with the

2531
01:21:28,149 --> 01:21:26,880
system over his own family and what's

2532
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:28,159
scarier still

2533
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:31,520
setting up a template for more to do the

2534
01:21:34,629 --> 01:21:33,199
same

2535
01:21:36,870 --> 01:21:34,639
it's the sort of thing that scares me

2536
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:36,880
away from wanting kids entirely because

2537
01:21:40,629 --> 01:21:37,679
i could not

2538
01:21:42,550 --> 01:21:40,639
take that it's like a family who

2539
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:42,560
recovers their kidnapped daughter only

2540
01:21:45,430 --> 01:21:43,360
for her to say

2541
01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:45,440
actually i like him better than you mom

2542
01:21:49,110 --> 01:21:47,199
and dad

2543
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:49,120
which did happen in that r kelly

2544
01:21:52,390 --> 01:21:50,560
situation for anyone who's been

2545
01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:52,400
following that or watched the

2546
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:55,360
docu-series two different sets of

2547
01:21:59,110 --> 01:21:57,120
parents are all over the news saying i

2548
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:59,120
haven't seen my daughter in years

2549
01:22:02,950 --> 01:22:01,199
she's brainwashed by this psychopath

2550
01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:02,960
she's in a cult

2551
01:22:06,229 --> 01:22:04,480
and then r kelly lets her up from the

2552
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:06,239
basement to do a couple carefully

2553
01:22:10,629 --> 01:22:08,000
planned interviews and she's like no

2554
01:22:12,550 --> 01:22:10,639
my parents are crazy i'm fine i love

2555
01:22:14,709 --> 01:22:12,560
living in piss-soaked cell number five

2556
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:14,719
we're in love actually

2557
01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:17,040
it's just so sad i don't know how these

2558
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:17,920
parents stay

2559
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:21,760
strong in those sorts of situations

2560
01:22:25,270 --> 01:22:23,760
this idea of suing your parents because

2561
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:25,280
you weren't vaccinated

2562
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:28,159
strikes the same cord with me if you

2563
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:30,560
opted out for the safety of your kid

2564
01:22:33,990 --> 01:22:32,080
and then in their teens they started

2565
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:34,000
drinking the kool-aid and took you to

2566
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:35,520
court

2567
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:38,320
it would be crushing and when i think

2568
01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:40,400
about that story from a strategic

2569
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:42,480
perspective

2570
01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:44,400
like if we really are in an information

2571
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:46,800
war with the system and we are

2572
01:22:53,590 --> 01:22:50,000
i saw that story and i thought wow

2573
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:53,600
that's genius well played if parents

2574
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:55,840
aren't scared into vaccines over legal

2575
01:22:59,910 --> 01:22:57,199
action and not being able to go to

2576
01:23:03,270 --> 01:22:59,920
disneyland or the mall

2577
01:23:05,189 --> 01:23:03,280
that will scare them into doing it

2578
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:05,199
what if you didn't circumcise a kid and

2579
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:07,360
then when he was 16 he sued you for

2580
01:23:11,669 --> 01:23:09,440
emotional distress because some girl

2581
01:23:15,430 --> 01:23:11,679
thought it looked weird

2582
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:15,440
huh but there are a lot of political

2583
01:23:20,950 --> 01:23:17,920
and perception management issues in the

2584
01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:20,960
vaccine arena right now

2585
01:23:29,510 --> 01:23:25,040
that's just the one that strikes me as

2586
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:29,520
the hardest to take on a personal level

2587
01:23:32,470 --> 01:23:30,880
i also thought it was interesting that

2588
01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:32,480
dell mentioned at one point that

2589
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:33,760
vaccines mask

2590
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:36,080
symptoms but you might still carry the

2591
01:23:39,669 --> 01:23:37,440
virus

2592
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:39,679
that's exactly what patrick jordan was

2593
01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:41,280
saying and i love the guy

2594
01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:43,600
but i do consider patrick jordan to be

2595
01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:45,520
one of the most extreme

2596
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:48,239
in his positions i mean he considers

2597
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:48,960
himself

2598
01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:51,920
the most extreme so it's not really news

2599
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:53,840
but it was nice to see

2600
01:23:57,030 --> 01:23:56,320
some overlap here some complimentary

2601
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:57,040
comments

2602
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:00,480
maybe we should say but great show

2603
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:02,560
it was a real milestone for me i

2604
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:05,199
remember when vaxxed first came out

2605
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:08,400
thc was still a baby and i watched this

2606
01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:09,920
great documentary

2607
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:11,840
in a theater which was kind of

2608
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:13,360
mind-blowing

2609
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:15,520
i see dell in the lobby shaking hands

2610
01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:17,760
and taking pictures

2611
01:24:20,950 --> 01:24:19,840
i shook his hand i said great job and i

2612
01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:20,960
didn't mention

2613
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:24,239
that i had a podcast mainly because i

2614
01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:24,800
almost

2615
01:24:28,229 --> 01:24:26,560
never mention it in person when i meet

2616
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:28,239
someone who could be a potential guest

2617
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:30,880
it's much easier and efficient to send

2618
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:31,679
them an email

2619
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:35,520
with a link to my twitter or my youtube

2620
01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:37,120
where we see tens of thousands of

2621
01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:38,960
subscribers and they say oh okay

2622
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:42,320
i get it now but i thought then man

2623
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:44,880
it would be really great to have dell on

2624
01:24:49,189 --> 01:24:45,840
but

2625
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:49,199
i just don't feel worthy yet so i put it

2626
01:24:52,470 --> 01:24:49,840
away

2627
01:24:54,149 --> 01:24:52,480
and now years later i do feel like we've

2628
01:24:56,070 --> 01:24:54,159
built a platform where it's not

2629
01:24:57,510 --> 01:24:56,080
guests doing me a favor but it's

2630
01:24:59,430 --> 01:24:57,520
actually a large show

2631
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:59,440
with a well-crafted intelligent

2632
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:00,960
high-level audience

2633
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:03,280
that is large enough for it to

2634
01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:06,560
definitely be worth a guest's time

2635
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:09,920
so i stayed patient and funny enough

2636
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:12,560
two different sources in the same week

2637
01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:14,800
put me in contact with dell's people

2638
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:16,480
one being a listener who had a few

2639
01:25:20,229 --> 01:25:18,000
contacts and said hey

2640
01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:20,239
you gotta go on this show and the other

2641
01:25:24,149 --> 01:25:22,080
was the grimerica guys because they also

2642
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:24,159
had dell on recently

2643
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:27,360
so big thanks to everyone involved

2644
01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:30,560
i am really glad that i waited and it's

2645
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:31,920
just a nice thing

2646
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:34,960
to see it all come full circle

2647
01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:36,800
so thanks guys for listening definitely

2648
01:25:41,189 --> 01:25:39,199
follow dell show the high wire you get

2649
01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:41,199
all these lesser known threads and

2650
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:43,360
breakdowns of recent media hit pieces

2651
01:25:47,669 --> 01:25:44,800
and all that sort of stuff that i think

2652
01:25:49,669 --> 01:25:47,679
is really important to keep tabs on

2653
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:49,679
of course if you like the first hour of

2654
01:25:54,390 --> 01:25:51,760
the free version of thc

2655
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:54,400
join thc plus for a second hour it's

2656
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:56,159
eight bucks a month but i bring you

2657
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:58,080
five great shows and it's all

2658
01:26:02,470 --> 01:26:00,800
action-packed and commercial-free

2659
01:26:04,790 --> 01:26:02,480
you're not paying to hear me talk to

2660
01:26:06,629 --> 01:26:04,800
these guys about the weather

2661
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:06,639
i definitely try to keep the ball

2662
01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:08,800
rolling and value your time

2663
01:26:14,550 --> 01:26:12,000
and financial contribution

2664
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:14,560
in today's plus show we talked about

2665
01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:16,400
that idea that different races and

2666
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:18,800
genders are being disproportionately

2667
01:26:22,709 --> 01:26:20,480
affected

2668
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:22,719
dell's a little more reserved on going

2669
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:24,080
there and i get that

2670
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:25,760
we talked about the problems with child

2671
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:27,600
protective services that's something

2672
01:26:31,910 --> 01:26:29,120
that i definitely think needs a full

2673
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:31,920
show i got to find the guy for that

2674
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:34,159
talked about eczema and other autoimmune

2675
01:26:38,229 --> 01:26:35,199
conditions as

2676
01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:38,239
vaccine damage the complex story of the

2677
01:26:41,669 --> 01:26:40,080
polio vaccine

2678
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:41,679
the whole issue might have been related

2679
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:43,920
to the chemical ddt

2680
01:26:47,830 --> 01:26:45,760
we talked about what the world's leading

2681
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:47,840
expert in aluminum has to say about its

2682
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:49,600
effects on health

2683
01:26:53,669 --> 01:26:52,000
we dive deeper into vaccine ethics and i

2684
01:26:54,950 --> 01:26:53,679
got to ask a question i've been thinking

2685
01:26:57,750 --> 01:26:54,960
about since i first saw

2686
01:27:00,950 --> 01:26:57,760
vaxxed could my childhood meningitis

2687
01:27:03,189 --> 01:27:00,960
have been caused by vaccine damage

2688
01:27:04,070 --> 01:27:03,199
dell is a little skeptical there's no

2689
01:27:07,510 --> 01:27:04,080
precedent for

2690
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:07,520
a meningitis tainted vaccine

2691
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:09,840
to appear in colorado there is a

2692
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:12,320
precedent for it to appear in canada

2693
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:14,560
around the exact same time i was being

2694
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:16,480
vaccinated

2695
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:20,159
but unless we can find that

2696
01:27:24,870 --> 01:27:23,600
that tainted lot of vaccines in canada

2697
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:24,880
was

2698
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:27,520
offloaded in colorado then we can't

2699
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:28,880
really say it's related

2700
01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:31,120
although it was offloaded in other parts

2701
01:27:34,229 --> 01:27:32,880
of the world

2702
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:34,239
and another thing that is worth

2703
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:35,840
mentioning we talked about the trump

2704
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:37,760
administration and the vaccine issue

2705
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:39,280
people give me a lot of [\h__\h] for not

2706
01:27:44,310 --> 01:27:41,280
being a cue guy

2707
01:27:46,149 --> 01:27:44,320
for not trusting our fearless leader but

2708
01:27:49,030 --> 01:27:46,159
when something legitimately

2709
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:49,040
comes up that speaks to a good argument

2710
01:27:52,709 --> 01:27:50,480
for that case

2711
01:27:54,470 --> 01:27:52,719
i ask about it and i highlight those

2712
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:54,480
things that suggest i might be wrong i

2713
01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:57,280
did it with uh dylan monroe too

2714
01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:00,960
i don't trust authority or any president

2715
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:02,960
and i'm actually surprised when i hear

2716
01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:04,080
that trump

2717
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:06,800
sent a team of people with dell included

2718
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:09,520
to ask questions about vaccines

2719
01:28:13,590 --> 01:28:12,000
it's a good thing i'm willing to

2720
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:13,600
highlight that and i'm willing to be

2721
01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:14,080
wrong

2722
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,480
if it's actually getting movement on

2723
01:28:21,110 --> 01:28:18,400
some of these things that we want done

2724
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:21,120
i'm just skeptical of people in the

2725
01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:23,280
presidential seat

2726
01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:25,840
i still try to be fair though but yes

2727
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:26,880
that's the show

2728
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:29,280
good times great oldies i tried to set

2729
01:28:32,229 --> 01:28:31,120
this show up in a way that makes it a

2730
01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:32,239
nice tool

2731
01:28:36,149 --> 01:28:34,239
to show people in your life who aren't

2732
01:28:39,189 --> 01:28:36,159
yet convinced

2733
01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:39,199
we don't need to yell and scream we just

2734
01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:40,480
need to tell folks what they aren't

2735
01:28:44,709 --> 01:28:41,280
being told

2736
01:28:47,669 --> 01:28:44,719
and make rational well thought out

2737
01:28:49,510 --> 01:28:47,679
simple arguments so huge thanks to dell

2738
01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:49,520
for not just taking the time to talk to

2739
01:28:52,709 --> 01:28:51,280
me but for all the work he does

2740
01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:52,719
tell him if you liked it and i'll see

2741
01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:55,440
you next time your move propaganda

2742
01:28:58,870 --> 01:28:57,280
pushing pediatricians perception

2743
01:29:02,229 --> 01:28:58,880
management media manipulators and

2744
01:29:05,350 --> 01:29:02,239
regulatory agencies that do not regulate

2745
01:29:08,709 --> 01:29:05,360
your [\h__\h] move

2746
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:08,719
have a drink and a smoke

2747
01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:11,840
listen to the cast

2748
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:15,280
we shine a shiny spotlight

2749
01:29:22,149 --> 01:29:18,719
but criminals don't blast

2750
01:29:25,590 --> 01:29:22,159
the pinstripe men of mourning

2751
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:25,600
and families of finance

2752
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:29,040
dupont windsor and rothschild

2753
01:29:35,830 --> 01:29:32,400
the kids don't stand a chance

2754
01:29:39,510 --> 01:29:35,840
the kids don't the kids don't stand

2755
01:29:40,950 --> 01:29:39,520
the kids don't stand a chance i said the

2756
01:29:46,149 --> 01:29:40,960
kids don't

2757
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:46,159
stand a chance

2758
01:29:52,790 --> 01:29:49,600
we're looking for the answers

2759
01:29:56,470 --> 01:29:52,800
to questions never asked

2760
01:29:59,830 --> 01:29:56,480
so we come to the cartwood

2761
01:30:03,350 --> 01:29:59,840
for the higher side chat

2762
01:30:06,709 --> 01:30:03,360
the pinstripe men of mourning

2763
01:30:10,229 --> 01:30:06,719
and families of finance

2764
01:30:13,590 --> 01:30:10,239
dupont windsor and rothschild

2765
01:30:17,030 --> 01:30:13,600
the kids don't stand a chance

2766
01:30:20,629 --> 01:30:17,040
the kids don't the kids don't stand

2767
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:20,639
the kids don't stand a chance i say the

2768
01:30:38,010 --> 01:30:22,080
kids don't

2769
01:30:44,390 --> 01:30:41,110
[Music]

2770
01:30:49,430 --> 01:30:44,400
involved in shady business

2771
01:30:52,950 --> 01:30:49,440
we try to get a glance we're working on

2772
01:30:58,229 --> 01:30:52,960
the numbers resistance must

2773
01:31:01,590 --> 01:30:58,239
advance the pinstripe men of mourning

2774
01:31:05,110 --> 01:31:01,600
and families of finance

2775
01:31:08,470 --> 01:31:05,120
dupont windsor and rothschild

2776
01:31:11,830 --> 01:31:08,480
the kids don't stand a chance

2777
01:31:15,510 --> 01:31:11,840
the kids don't the kids don't stand

2778
01:31:15,990 --> 01:31:15,520
the kids don't stand a chance i said the

2779
01:31:28,550 --> 01:31:16,000
kids

2780
01:31:31,669 --> 01:31:28,560
stand a chance

2781
01:31:32,390 --> 01:31:31,679
i say the kids don't the kids don't